Yoyo@home

Ram Raider · Post by **Ram Raider** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:28 am

It's getting difficult to keep up but here's another one

http://yoyo8.homedns.org:88/yoyo/

This appears to be a test project set up by one of the German teams. At the moment it's just issuing an extended Uppercase application (with work units taking about 30 mins each). Not sure whether it will ever do any real work.

Acount creation is open and team has been created.

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:45 pm

03.08.2007 Windows version
Big thanks to Codemann who compiled the Windows wrapper and did a great support. The windows version is now also ready for testing and I released new OGR work units to celebrate it. The project now enters Beta state.
If you are interested in applications for other platforms write a mail to yoyo at mailueberfall dot de or use the forum.
If you have problems with the project reset it, it should work afterwards.

Ram Raider · Post by **Ram Raider** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:13 pm

If you're running McAfee Virus Scan, beware

VirusScan Enterprise: The file C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\yoyo8.homedns.org_88_yoyo\crunch_1.01_windows_intelx86.exe is infected with Proxy-DistNet Trojan. The file was successfully deleted.(running VirusScan Enter 8.0 OAS)

This means the download fails as the file gets deleted immediately.

Anybody else seen this problem?

I use Avast on my other PCs and that's OK.

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:25 pm

No probs with AVG free.

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:28 am

I have found that if you have a multiprocessor core than you HAVE to run more than this project by itself!

To me it looks like each WU is trying to write to the same 'slot', sees there's something all ready in there and errors out. Works fine when 1 core is doing this and the other core is doing something else - ALWAYS errors out if both cores are doing yoyo's.

Ram Raider · Post by **Ram Raider** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:16 pm

Should be fixed now although I haven't tried it.

From Boinc Synergy forums

It should now be possible to crunch multiple WUs in parallel. I solved it in cruncher 1.02 for windows.
yoyo

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:51 pm

UBT - Mikee wrote:I have found that if you have a multiprocessor core than you HAVE to run more than this project by itself!....

Sadly, what they haven't fixed, is the fact that there is no checkpointing on their WUs....I had to shut down BOINC (to restart my PC) and lost 2x 9 hours worth of crunching on 2x Yoyo WUs....

Oh wel....

regards

Tim

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:58 pm

Betatest, be not surprised.

Just finished a 15 hour one, another still running at 17 hours. Someone with a really fast processor has had a 25 hour one.

I thought there was a bit of checkpointing as when I looked at the 'slots' table earlier there were a couple of updated files. However, they haven't been updated since I last looked around 5 hours ago - so probably not.

[edit] Or maybe they can be! Just had one 'suspended' while a SAH WU was done. The associated 'slot' had been updated when the WU started. So it may be that if 'suspend' before switching off it will restart from that point - maybe!

melter65 · Post by **melter65** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:31 pm

I've had a look at the forum for this project. There is a thread devoted to the 'no checkpoint' question and the answers aren't very promising for us single CPU crunchers!

I also lost the same WU, twice, once at 5hrs and again at 4hrs through needing to restart the 'puter

This is going to be like CPDN, it's going to take a little thought as to when to start crunching a WU, knowing that when it starts you can't afford to stop it!

One for the Farmers, I think!

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:15 am

A little bit of good news! The new WUs are a quarter the size of the last batch. Well, they're the same batch but chopped in 4!

Hello,
the length of yoyo@home WUs are mainly unpredictable. In the past WUs finished very fast. Therefore I put 8 OGR WUs in 1 Boinc WU. This leads to a runtime of less than 1h.
Now the OGRs are running longer. So the Boinc WUs which are now created containing only 2 OGR WUs.
But first we have to crunch the existing 15.000 WUs Mißbilligend
yoyo

I did one last night and it only took 5 hours!

I've got another problem now! So many people have detached/aborted that the ones I had all ready done show no sign of being validated!

melter65 · Post by **melter65** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:12 pm

Ooops!

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:42 pm

That didn't take as long as expected!

29.08.2007 Version 1.06
Version 1.06 contains checkpoints and a progress indicator. Progress bar will be increased every 1/8 of the WU. Please report problems in the forum.

29.08.2007 64 bit version for Linux
I added a 64 bit version for Linux. Please report problems in this thread.

[edit]
Though it looks like they're back to full length as the 2 I have running are quite long. A version 1.04 is at 15 hours and not stopping, a version 1.06 at 12½% and 7 hours but at least it suspended itself while other WUs progressed.

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:02 pm

I haven't had a rant for a few weeks so....

Rant time!

That's it - I've had enough of this!

Why?

1 - 1 WU aborted itself after over 17 hours (exit no finished file sort of thing)
2 - 1 WU I had nearly 400 claimed credits - ended up with 78 - 78 credits for 34 hours work where I'd normally expect around 500 or more!
3 - 12½% after 7 hours - another 40odd hours to go with a chance of less than 100 credits? That's aborted now as well.

I'm not posting this on their board as I know Yoyo pops in here occasionally and I don't want to put too many people off a new project.

Bah - humbug - Grrrr - Beta projects

:evil: :evil:

I'll go back to it in a few weeks once I've forgotten about this!

Rant off!

RodEllery · Post by **RodEllery** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:09 am

Well the one I got granted today gave the following:

120,725.56 secs (33+ hours)
257.46 claimed
242.10 granted

= 7.21credits/hour.

Not good but just within acceptable limits for the machine in question, I've still got 1700 credits pending. Letting the pending drop a bit before processing more.

yoyo · Post by **yoyo** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:15 pm

How do you know that I'm reading sometimes this forum

The problem is, that for this WU cruncher 1.04 was used. In this version if you restart the WU only the CPU time of the last run is reported to the server and used for claiming credits. In this particular case your partner restarted the WU 2 times and reported only 1/3 of the cpu time you reported.

yoyo

BTW: I'm using programmer who can help to improve the project. E.g. a graphic would be fine and a port to PS3 and other projects are waiting for integration.

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:30 pm

This is looking better now!

Ones I did a couple of weeks ago are getting validated (quorum = 2).

The last 2 that have been validated (a 5 hour one and a 3 hour one) are showing a 'credit granted' equivalent to around 500/day which, for this PC, is one of the more generous projects now.

Did 1 last week which took 46 hours. Hopefully, this should return around 1000+. Unfortunately, there have been 2 'no replies' and 2 'client error' which is slowing down the validation a bit!

yoyo · Post by **yoyo** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:44 am

Plans for the future are to set quorum=1 and calculate the credit based on how many GNodes were crunched in the work unit.
yoyo

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:16 pm

yoyo wrote:Plans for the future are to set quorum=1 and calculate the credit based on how many GNodes were crunched in the work unit.
yoyo

16.09.2007 New validator
A new validator is in operation which grants credits based on calculated GNodes. Quorum is now set to 1 and credits are granted immediately.

YES! I got credits! 2300 of the little beauties!

Thanks Yoyo! I'm sure that you'll get a lot more people crunching these huge WUs now that they're validating immediately.

yoyo · Post by **yoyo** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:40 pm

There was a lot credit granted today and a lot of OGR send to distributed.net. I'm prety sure that we will be #1 in distributed.net stats tomorrow

yoyo

melter65 · Post by **melter65** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:40 pm

Nice one, yoyo! :thumbright:

It's good to get project feedback and information from you

:D :D

RodEllery · Post by **RodEllery** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:45 pm

Ths is nw loking good. Validator finally gave me 2.2k Credits today. Hope this means rapid credits in future.....

Timby · Post by **Timby** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:08 am

Mmm any of you chaps running this project on Linux 64bit?
I only ask as I joined the project tonight to boost our output a bit and the first WU fell over straight away, I have set it to no new work for now untill I can find out why?
If Yoyo is looking the WU ID is 26812
My ID is 1670 looks like there are 5 client errors at the moment?

Mark

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:09 am

Just had a look around. As far as I can see none of the members are using Linux. Looking further, there are a few Linux users that are working this guy from Rechenkraft.net for instance. Whilst looking I did see that a few Linux users had errors.

Doesn't help you much other than knowing that other people have got it to work. May depend on which distro you have I suppose.

Timby · Post by **Timby** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:29 am

Thanks Mikee for your input, I did see that there were a few Linux users but as you quite rightly say not sure which distro they are running?
I did try one more WU which failed as soon as it ran so I will sit tight for the moment and see if Yoyo can shed any light on the problem if he reads this post?
In the meantime lets crack on with a few more ABC's

Mark

yoyo · Post by **yoyo** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:28 pm

Timby wrote:Mmm any of you chaps running this project on Linux 64bit?
I only ask as I joined the project tonight to boost our output a bit and the first WU fell over straight away, I have set it to no new work for now untill I can find out why?
If Yoyo is looking the WU ID is 26812
My ID is 1670 looks like there are 5 client errors at the moment?

Mark

Hi Timby,
I see that your error for wu 26812 is a different than the 4 other errors. You have an execve error. It looks like the wrapper can not start the cruncher.

First of all reset the project and try again.

If this doesn't help, download one wu and check if cruncher* and wrapper* have execute rights in projects/www.rechenkraft.net_yoyo. Than try the following:
- create a new directory
- cp wrapper* cruncher* new_dir/
- cp job* new_dir/job.xml
- cp ogr_*_0 new_dir/in.ogf
- start in new_dir the wrapper

Send me all std* files.

yoyo

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:11 pm

Well done everyone who participated in our aim to regain UK #1 position.

A great team effort by all concerned.

How long will we keep it? That depends on how much of a buffer we want, who wants to carry on or join and, of course, how much Steve at BUK has 'in the bank'!

Anyone who wants to get back to their normal projects can do so with no fear of retribution or telling off!

If anyone missed the fun you can still join us! It's an active project with instant, fairly generous, credits. WUs running around 1 to 4 hours on a newish spec PC.

Once again, my personal thanks to everyone.

No 'Hobnobs' I'm afraid.

Carrots anyone?

Mike

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:25 pm

Just got a yoyo wu at the moment, look like will take around 8hrs on my PC

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:10 pm

Ah - the wanderer returns! Welcome back.

Depends which type you've got.

OGRs go up in 12.5% steps. So once it's got to 12.5% multiply the time taken by 8 to get a rough estimate.

EVOs are shorter and the percentage and timer are fairly accurate.

Tough project to get restarted on, thought you would have gone for something easier!

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:22 pm

UBT - Mikee wrote:Tough project to get restarted on, thought you would have gone for something easier!

Since when have I ever done anything the easy way

Got some DepSpid working at moment too

NaRyan · Post by **NaRyan** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:48 am

Running YoYo for a few days while Bob (TSP server), moves home.
I'm sure sure a few extra credits will help a ikkle bit...

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:22 am

Thought you gave up 'cos Eric was beating you!

We're over 500,000 behind so it certainly will help!

Sir Cracked of the Mind · Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:01 pm

I shall leave mine running, it's not a lot yet but it alll helps

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:02 pm

1st result in and validated got 310 credits doesnt seem all too bad

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:05 pm

UBT - Halifax--lad wrote:1st result in and validated got 310 credits doesnt seem all too bad

Good one!

Them Depspids take their time don't they!

NaRyan · Post by **NaRyan** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:48 am

Yoyo starts back at 0% if you have to restart the poota?

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:15 am

NaRyan wrote:Yoyo starts back at 0% if you have to restart the poota?

It shows 0% but actually restarts from the last checkpoint.

UBT - mickyb69 · Post by **UBT - mickyb69** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:00 am

Nooooooooooo so when you get to 80% then restart at 0 your still at 80
oh pooooooooooooop .

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:57 pm

UBT - mickyb69 wrote:Nooooooooooo so when you get to 80% then restart at 0 your still at 80
oh pooooooooooooop .

What's wrong with that? You've done 80%, you've just got 20% to go but it will read 0% up 100% of that 20... sort of thing

NaRyan · Post by **NaRyan** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:04 pm

Mine go way past 100% :?
Also are the OGR workunits the ones that only show status every 12.5%?
The one on my AMD X2 4200+ is still at 0% after 90 minutes.

UBT - mickyb69 · Post by **UBT - mickyb69** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:49 pm

UBT - Mikee wrote:
UBT - mickyb69 wrote:Nooooooooooo so when you get to 80% then restart at 0 your still at 80
oh pooooooooooooop .
What's wrong with that? You've done 80%, you've just got 20% to go but it will read 0% up 100% of that 20... sort of thing

cuss i tryed a few and they kept going back to 0% so i ditched them

all them wasted credits :D

yoyo · Post by **yoyo** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:11 pm

Hi,
some clarification. On yoyo@home are 2 application running. You can choose in the preferences which you want. As default you get work for both. You see in the wu name which it is.

ogr_)
progress indicator every 12,5%. On of such progress step can take up to 7h. But the wu has checkpoints every 15min. So if you restart only the progress indicator restarts at the 12,5% level where it was before. The wu itself continues on the checkpoint. The estimated runtime of the wu is false and only exists because Boinc needs it. But the runtime is not predictable.

evo_)
Estimated runtime is an rough but good enough estimation. Based on this estimation also the progress indicator is shown and updated every 30s. But since it is an estimation the wu can finish already at 40% or even at 200%. This wu has NO checkpoints. If you restart your computer it starts from the very beginning. But you can switch to other projects and suspend Boinc if you have in your settings suspend and hold application in memory. In this case it continues.

yoyo

NaRyan · Post by **NaRyan** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:15 pm

Thanks for the info

And poo I did loose all that work on the Evo_ workunits.
Oh well they got done in the end.

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:55 pm

Thanks for that Yoyo.

As the Evo WUs don't have checkpoints Yoyo grants an extra 30% for each finished WU to make up for any fails you may have. No fails = BONUS!

UBT - mickyb69 · Post by **UBT - mickyb69** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:29 am

I tryed an evo on 1 chip ..11 hours 265 creds :lol:
hmmmmm p4 D 3gig = 1000+ credits a day ..now thats nice

NaRyan · Post by **NaRyan** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:27 pm

You must also get the extra on the OGR_ too.
Claimed 214.23, Granted 301.24.
Mind you that did take 09:46:23 on a AMD X2 6000+ (running @3212MHz)

Well working poop out, TSP would have to do 19 BF workunits to equal that 301 (or 304 credits).
And this system would take just under 6 hours to do that (worked out as 1 core running the app)

So although TSP gives 16 credits per BF_ workunit, on a X64 OS it crunches them heck of a fast (this system does them in about 17min 30 sec or less)

So in the grand scheme of "Total Boinc credits, for the team" TSP pays out quite a lot if your a x64 user.

However I'll stick with Yoyo, since we need dem credits

Anyone got an idea what Eric is crunching on since TSP is offline?
As It looks like he has some nice "toys" that would help on Yoyo

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:10 pm

Yoyo always has given good credits, a lot more than is claimed. Probably due to the fact that they used to crash out a lot in the early days and that they were VERRRRYYYY long and unpredictable. Seem a lot more stable now.

NaRyan · Post by **NaRyan** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:53 pm

Not bothered about the time.
after all it's not like i actually do anything else but Crunch on ma pootas

Keep getting told there is an off button, but I think those peeps are telling fibs!

(and grr Firefox spell checker is a bit naff, nice to know I spelt something wrong (he he it don't like the word Firefox), but err a suggestion of the correct word would be nice....

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:11 pm

NaRyan wrote:
(and grr Firefox spell checker is a bit naff, nice to know I spelt something wrong (he he it don't like the word Firefox), but err a suggestion of the correct word would be nice....

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:3

Works for me all the time. You sure you got the right extension?

NaRyan · Post by **NaRyan** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:21 pm

Yeah picked English British from the list when I 1st installed it.
Guess I done something wrong?
It is my 1st time using the prog, More of an IE/Opera peep :S

*doh now I see wot you do, you have to right click on the word *ahem*
never mind me, nowt to see here, move along now..... noob

melter65 · Post by **melter65** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:54 pm

yoyo wrote:Hi,
some clarification. On yoyo@home are 2 application running. You can choose in the preferences which you want. As default you get work for both. You see in the wu name which it is.

ogr_)
progress indicator every 12,5%. On of such progress step can take up to 7h. But the wu has checkpoints every 15min. So if you restart only the progress indicator restarts at the 12,5% level where it was before. The wu itself continues on the checkpoint. The estimated runtime of the wu is false and only exists because Boinc needs it. But the runtime is not predictable.

evo_)
Estimated runtime is an rough but good enough estimation. Based on this estimation also the progress indicator is shown and updated every 30s. But since it is an estimation the wu can finish already at 40% or even at 200%. This wu has NO checkpoints. If you restart your computer it starts from the very beginning. But you can switch to other projects and suspend Boinc if you have in your settings suspend and hold application in memory. In this case it continues.

yoyo

Thanks for the 'heads-up' on this, yoyo! I've altered my preferences the exclude 'evo' WU's. The reason for this is that I'm a single core cruncher and need to turn both BOINC and my computer off sometimes

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:43 am

Anyone else getting this?

01/02/2008 07:38:13|yoyo@home|Scheduler request failed: HTTP file not found

Their message board seems to have disappeared and replaced with the Rechenkraft forum instead.

"Betatest, be not surprised." Oh! OK.

Rockinfroggi · Post by **Rockinfroggi** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:12 am

I was running yoyo for about a week but the last 3 days or so have been unable to get anything from them.

Gary

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:24 pm

Going for another point in the 'who broke it table'

Yoyo's broke!

melter65 · Post by **melter65** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:40 pm

Don't frickin' look at me!!

:evil:

It's either you or the frog, as you both reported it! :lol: :lol:

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:46 pm

Ah - as soon as Yoyo shows up in the forum it works again!

yoyo · Post by **yoyo** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:59 pm

:shock: :shock:

melter65 · Post by **melter65** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:07 pm

Good work, yoyo!

:lol:

Post by **UBT-mark3346** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:38 pm

Ram Raider wrote:If you're running McAfee Virus Scan, beware

VirusScan Enterprise: The file C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\yoyo8.homedns.org_88_yoyo\crunch_1.01_windows_intelx86.exe is infected with Proxy-DistNet Trojan. The file was successfully deleted.(running VirusScan Enter 8.0 OAS)
This means the download fails as the file gets deleted immediately.

Anybody else seen this problem?

I use Avast on my other PCs and that's OK.

For some reason Norton has now decided YoYo is a backdoor trojan and deleted it from 2 of my pc's :( I assume it will do the rest of them when I allow a restart

UBT - The Prof.... · Post by **UBT - The Prof....** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:51 pm

Think I had this problem once before, though it was a long while ago. Now use AVG, not had any problems with any project so far, though not running this one at the moment.

Post by **UBT-mark3346** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:20 am

UBT - The Prof.... wrote:Think I had this problem once before, though it was a long while ago. Now use AVG, not had any problems with any project so far, though not running this one at the moment.

Strange thing is I wasn't running it either it just started throwing up security alerts.

Post by **UBT - bobuk** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:00 am

Ram Raider wrote:If you're running McAfee Virus Scan, beware

VirusScan Enterprise: The file C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\yoyo8.homedns.org_88_yoyo\crunch_1.01_windows_intelx86.exe is infected with Proxy-DistNet Trojan. The file was successfully deleted.(running VirusScan Enter 8.0 OAS)
This means the download fails as the file gets deleted immediately.

Anybody else seen this problem?

I use Avast on my other PCs and that's OK.

this problem as still not been sorted

just tried to to get work from yoyo and the wu's jost get chucked out as 'trojan' by mcafee....
oh well lets hope they get things sorted soon....

b.

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:37 am

The distributed.net client and runs OGR work units. This project searches for the shortest Optimal Golumb Ruler of the length 25. Some virus scanner false detect the client as trojan (list of known false detections).

That is what is said on the YoYo@Home homepage.

Sir Cracked of the Mind · Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:03 am

Well it goes like this.

"Am I willing to reduce my computer security in order to run Yoyo"

answer NO!

Their loss not mine.

Post by **UBT - bobuk** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:17 am

Sir Cracked of the Mind wrote:Well it goes like this.

"am I willing to reduce my computer security in order to run Yoyo"

answer NO!

Their loss not mine.

that was just about what i was thinking

yoyo makes a visit to this forum quite a few times, lets see if he has anything to say on this matter....

b.

yoyo · Post by **yoyo** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:38 pm

Can't say anything new to this. I include the original distributed.net binary without any change. Distributed.net guys knows that some virus scanner detects there client as trojan and contacted already these companies. Some of them removed dnet from the data file, some not.
I fully respect if you do not disable your virus scanner for the boinc project and slot folder and if you will not change your scanner.
yoyo

melter65 · Post by **melter65** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:57 am

Thanks for answering our questions, yoyo!

As I don't use McAfeecrappy nonsecurity this doesn't affect me!

:lol: :lol:

So I will carry on crunching yoyo wu's without a worry!!

:D :D

Roll on 'The OGR Challenge', I'll be running 100% yoyo on that!!

:twisted:

Sir Cracked of the Mind · Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:46 am

You really know how to piss people off don't you Melter65, well screw you too jerk wad!

I'm off!

melter65 · Post by **melter65** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:44 pm

Sir Cracked of the Mind wrote:You really know how to piss people off don't you Melter65, well screw you too jerk wad!

I'm off!

Hang on a moment, Sir Cracked!

My answer was meant to be slightly tongue in cheek, everybody (including me!) has had trouble with McAffee, Norton, Comodo and various other security suites/firewalls. I certainly wouldn't expect you to open your 'puter up to possible attack just to crunch a specific project!