Targets achieved and those yet to be achieved...

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:12 am

Hi all,

OK - so we've now achieved 2 of the 5 targets - although one target might not ever be totally achieved - which is to move up one more place in the BOINC World rankings...!

Of the other 4, two have now been achieved, namely:

We are now the UK ranked #1 Team for both Rosetta and SIMAP.

To all the respective crunchers who have helped us to achieve these rankings, I offer my sincere thanks for your contribution - long may it continue...

HOWEVER

We still have the other 2 targets still in our sights and we need YOUR help to achieve these. They are:

To become World ranked #1 team on SAP

To become UK ranked #1 Team on SETI

I will leave it to YOUR best judgement as to how to help the Team to achieve these two targets.

Once these are achieved, I think we need to start paying some close attention to some of the other projects where we can use our combined "muscle" to either become UK ranked #1 Team or where our World ranking position is slipping down a bit....there's no rest here y'know...

Keep on crunching.

regards,

Tim

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:18 am

The SAP target won't happen unless some other people come along to help crunch, I think most people here are coming to the end of there current crunching of SAP WU's

I am quite happy to stay at the position we are in now, as I have said previously we have made it to Number 1 in the UK and helped the science massively that's all that counts for me.

Time to concentrate on other projects to get us a better UK ranking I think, then from there we can move on

UBT - JohnR · Post by **UBT - JohnR** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:50 am

By now we know that Synergy will let us pass in SAP
Our effort http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_team_ ... =bo&id=214 21%
Their effort http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_team_ ... r=bo&id=49 5.7%
and thats on a day when we lost by about 5000 credits.
But it's like a supermarket buy one get one free offer, in that without our effort they would be crunching 3,500 to 5000 credits a day. So for every credit we do for SAP they crunch another credit, in effect doubling the work we do for SAP.
Lookers effort in Seti http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_team_ ... r=bo&id=42.
They have no real reserves to defend their position, but others in our team may be like me and think that Seti is a waste of time.

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:53 am

UBT - JohnR wrote:but others in our team may be like me and think that Seti is a waste of time.

It could all be a waste of time but its the Father of BOINC and the jewel in the crown of projects many people initially sign up with SETI just because they like the idea and then branch out to other projects, so moving on hope will hopefully help the cause

UBT - JohnR · Post by **UBT - JohnR** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:05 am

Yes I know, and it will be great for the team when when we are at no 1 in the UK in the biggest project and in which we have nearly 50% of our credits.

UBT - JohnR · Post by **UBT - JohnR** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:10 pm

For some hours now Boincstats have shown us ahead of Portugal@home.
I expect our team site will be correct at 3.00pm today 12,794 credits to go.
We do twice the work of US-Distributed so another pass to look forward to after Portugal

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:27 pm

UBT - JohnR wrote:For some hours now Boincstats have shown us ahead of Portugal@home.
I expect our team site will be correct at 3.00pm today 12,794 credits to go.
We do twice the work of US-Distributed so another pass to look forward to after Portugal

Hi John,

Fact is we ARE already ahead of Portugal@home 8) - as our stats (on Darren's very good catching up stats page), doesn't show some of the other projects that are now starting to export their XML's to the stats sites.

As such, we've already crunched a further 28,000+ credits, (on projects such as Riesel Sieve, Spinhenge, Docking, Neuron, NanoHive, etc.) that we're not counting towards our target.

Once Darren can update his stats, it'll be just that bit more accurate....!

And then we can see how well we're doing against some of these other "whippersnappers".

regards,

Tim

UBT-Shaman · Post by **UBT-Shaman** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:19 pm

Well, all very good and as interesting as this is, it doesn't answer my two main questions. If we advance in ranks in projects, will we:

1 - Be given lollipops?

and 2 - If not lollipops, then a sticker of one of the Seven Dwarves, like I got at the dentist when I was just a nipper?

I think we should be told!!!!

Robin (known to the Native Americans of Cambridgeshire as "He Who Crunches")

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:23 pm

Lollipops? You should be so lucky!

I know some members are still waiting for their plain chocolate Hobnobs!
:withstupid:

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:23 pm

I want chips & icecream

UBT-Shaman · Post by **UBT-Shaman** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:37 pm

UBT - Halifax--lad wrote:I want chips & icecream

Wot, together? :shock:

Yuckies!

As for the dark choc hobnobs, I love 'em but where can you get them these days? All milk choc, yuck again. They'll treat the dark ones badly!!!

Remember Lymeswold! Rise up and fight for the right to have better bikkies!

R
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Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:28 pm

UBT-Shaman wrote:As for the dark choc hobnobs, I love 'em but where can you get them these days?

If the truth be told, I've been hoarding them.....

Mind you, there is method in my madness and all will be revealed very soon.

regards

Tim

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:09 pm

Hi all,

Our team "coder" Darren has been hard at work again and we're now pleased to announce the following stats link:

http://www.ukboincteam.org.uk/stats/ubt ... -page.html

This shows our UK and World ranking position by project and the number of members we have on each project, as well as our current RAC.

Next to this is shown the stats for both the UK and World teams who are one place ahead of us in the respective rankings. (If no UK team is shown, then we're already #1 !! 8)

And just to make it really simple, if the "other" team name is shown in RED, then we do need extra help to pass them, as our current RAC is less than their's and hence we're not going to be able to overtake them without extra effort.

If it's GREEN, then our RAC exceeds their's and we will most likely overtake them - and as a guide, a "Catch About" date is shown, when we expect to pass them.....

Hopefully, it will allow us to keep a check on who we are catching up with and how much effort we need to make sure we do pass them.

regards

Tim

UBT-Shaman · Post by **UBT-Shaman** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:32 pm

Great stuff Tim!

Two things I'd like to mention:

1 - YAY! About to pip the post so to speak on SETI. We rock.

2 - Wouldn't it be useful to also show where the team below us is positioned? We're #1 on a number of projects, but if a team below us has pulled out the stops to crunch to #1, it would perhaps be nice to see that on the page as a warning, maybe? Or something of that ilk, such as a warning of when we will lose the spot to the team below us.

Thoughts?

Robin
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Temujin · Post by **Temujin** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:21 pm

UBT - Timbo wrote:Our team "coder" Darren has been hard at work again and we're now pleased to announce the following stats link:

http://www.ukboincteam.org.uk/stats/ubt ... -page.html

Superb work Darren, nice one :thumbup:

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:23 pm

UBT-Shaman wrote:Great stuff Tim!

Two things I'd like to mention:

1 - YAY! About to pip the post so to speak on SETI. We rock.

2 - Wouldn't it be useful to also show where the team below us is positioned? We're #1 on a number of projects, but if a team below us has pulled out the stops to crunch to #1, it would perhaps be nice to see that on the page as a warning, maybe? Or something of that ilk, such as a warning of when we will lose the spot to the team below us.

Thoughts?

Robin
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Hi Robin,

You're quite right - and it's something I had already given thought to - after all, while it's great to see who we should be catching, it'as just as good to know that we won't get caught ourselves....

But I wanted to give Darren a rest for a few days before imposing myself again on him.

But knowing him, he's probably already done it :D :D

regards

Tim

Darren · Post by **Darren** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:04 pm

Yepp, but I am really not happy with the way I have done it!
Had a heavy cold for the last 4 days and so I have not really given it all of the thought it deserved.

Halifax came up with the design, I just stuck the right bits of code where they needed to be.

Martle · Post by **Martle** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:33 pm

Respect to you Darren. :salute:

If you can produce this masterpiece with a heavy cold then you really are THE man.

BTW .. Nice design Halifax.

UBT-Shaman · Post by **UBT-Shaman** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:33 pm

It's bloomin' good work, cold or no cold, all the same. I found it really helpful compared to the other stats pages which I really struggle to decipher.

R
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Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:56 pm

UBT-Shaman wrote:It's bloomin' good work, cold or no cold, all the same.

I didn't even that know Darren had a cold :oops: , so it's even more blooming amazing that the poor man could even string some code together and make it work....

UBT-Shaman wrote:I found it really helpful compared to the other stats pages which I really struggle to decipher.

R
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The issue with the stats websites is that they try to encapsulate and then display lots of data in a human friendly way. And there are so many ways of doing it, that obviously not everyone will be pleased with the results or the limitations. That's not to knock the stats sites - most of whom do it for love rather than for any financial reasons.

And while tables of data are sort of useful, for the teams, some better stuff really is required.

And as none of the sites could produce anything specific for us, so I had the idea, David provided some input and Darren did the implementation...

regards,

Tim

Darren · Post by **Darren** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:38 pm

Well, looking at the figures, we need to really worry about our UK#1 spot at QMC and also watch proteins@home because our UK#1 spot is under threat there as well.
We also need all hands to work on the SETI UK#1 position!

Can we treble our output to hold onto the #1 spot on QMC?

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:39 pm

UBT-Shaman wrote:2 - Wouldn't it be useful to also show where the team below us is positioned? We're #1 on a number of projects, but if a team below us has pulled out the stops to crunch to #1, it would perhaps be nice to see that on the page as a warning, maybe? Or something of that ilk, such as a warning of when we will lose the spot to the team below us.

You see what you've done now?

He's only gone and dunnit, hasn't he!

You've caused a sick man to get out of his warm bed, his nose streaming with unmentionables, code yet more stuff and then update the pages on the web, all within minutes of your OP.....

I think you owe him some Lemsip.....

regards

Tim

UBT-Shaman · Post by **UBT-Shaman** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:44 pm

I'll send lemsip - but the hobnobs are mine!!!!

(oh..and thanks for the changes, considerable dedication from a sniffly person!)

Robin
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UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:02 pm

Martle wrote:BTW .. Nice design Halifax.

Well I didn't really design it just put in the input as to what it should look like

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:48 pm

UBT - Halifax--lad wrote:Well I didn't really design it just put in the input as to what it should look like

Err....."what it should look like" - in other industries, that's called being a "designer"....

regards

Tim

Darren · Post by **Darren** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:51 pm

He did design it & I have the PM's to prove it :)

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:56 pm

Darren wrote:He did design it & I have the PM's to prove it :)

I deleted my proof earlier

I thought you never kept your PM's

OK OK, maybe I did design it

but I wouldn't class it as design even though it probably is

Temujin · Post by **Temujin** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:59 pm

Could I make a suggestion, rather than having UBT credits/details on its own over on the left, would it not look better and be easier to read if it were with the other records.
Using Seti as an example, something like this

UK Lookers 44 1 339 24,634 15,280,432 120,752 29 Oct 06
INT World Wide S.E.T.I. 45 - 546 29,661 15,178,155 18,475 21 Oct 06
-- UK BOINC Team 46 2 509 34,774 15,159,680
UK The Scottish Boinc Team 67 3 342 18,261 9,750,679 5,409,001
INT Overclockers Australia 47 - 984 32,293 14,963,076 196,604

James Box · Post by **James Box** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:24 pm

I would keep it in World order though.

UK Lookers 44 1 339 24,634 15,280,432 120,752 29 Oct 06
INT World Wide S.E.T.I. 45 - 546 29,661 15,178,155 18,475 21 Oct 06
-- UK BOINC Team 46 2 509 34,774 15,159,680
INT Overclockers Australia 47 - 984 32,293 14,963,076 196,604
UK The Scottish Boinc Team 67 3 342 18,261 9,750,679 5,409,001

Darren · Post by **Darren** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:17 pm

Yes it would. But like I said I did not give it enough thought to it.

Give me a couple more days & I'll change the "foreach" loop into a proper "while" one that is sorted by credits. Not much of a change.

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:38 pm

Hi all,

Was waiting for comments concerning the stats pages, and thought someone might come up with a tweaked idea for the layout. :D

For my preference, I'd prefer 2 internal tables per project, which would shift the ranking column to the left, and add an extra row to the overall height (and maybe a horizontal rule) to the current look:

UK 1 Lookers 339 24,634 15,280,432 120,752 29 Oct 06
UK 2 UK BOINC Team 509 34,774 15,159,680
UK 3 The Scottish Boinc Team 342 18,261 9,750,679 5,409,001

INT 45 World Wide S.E.T.I. 546 29,661 15,178,155 18,475 21 Oct 06
INT 46 UK BOINC Team 509 34,774 15,159,680
INT 47 Overclockers Australia 984 32,293 14,963,076 196,604

regards,

Tim

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:42 pm

UBT - Timbo wrote:
UK 1 Lookers 339 24,634 15,280,432 120,752 29 Oct 06
UK 2 UK BOINC Team 509 34,774 15,159,680
UK 3 The Scottish Boinc Team 342 18,261 9,750,679 5,409,001

INT 45 World Wide S.E.T.I. 546 29,661 15,178,155 18,475 21 Oct 06
INT 46 UK BOINC Team 509 34,774 15,159,680
INT 47 Overclockers Australia 984 32,293 14,963,076 196,604

This way looks a lot easier on the eye - saves scanning across all the time as well.

Temujin · Post by **Temujin** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:29 pm

UBT - Timbo wrote: UK 1 Lookers 339 24,634 15,280,432 120,752 29 Oct 06
UK 2 UK BOINC Team 509 34,774 15,159,680
UK 3 The Scottish Boinc Team 342 18,261 9,750,679 5,409,001

INT 45 World Wide S.E.T.I. 546 29,661 15,178,155 18,475 21 Oct 06
INT 46 UK BOINC Team 509 34,774 15,159,680
INT 47 Overclockers Australia 984 32,293 14,963,076 196,604

Yep, even better

Darren · Post by **Darren** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:30 pm

I think it would look better if all of the figures in the columns lined up

But anyhow it's been changed.

Temujin · Post by **Temujin** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:40 pm

thats much better, nice one :thumbup:

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:52 pm

That looks the dogs er... nuts(?)

Very nice job! Well done!

UBT - PiezPiedPy · Post by **UBT - PiezPiedPy** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:36 am

Nice1 - all to see :thumbleft:

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:18 am

Had to find something wrong!:D

I know we're not doing too well in World Community Grid, but I think it should be there!

Darren · Post by **Darren** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:34 am

That was is a bit more difficult but it is being worked on

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:00 am

UBT - Mikeejones wrote:Had to find something wrong!:D

I know we're not doing too well in World Community Grid, but I think it should be there!

Its because they don't do regular stats so its going to have to be worked on using the XML files provided.

Edit: Would be nice to have it there by the time we have crunch time with WCG

Darren · Post by **Darren** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:13 am

It'll be there, time permitting, by midweek.
It won't show anything more than any of the other stats sites though because there is no regular updates and no countries.

Darren · Post by **Darren** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:02 pm

OK Daily update of the WCG can be done but is there no more regular updates done for this project?

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:20 am

Darren wrote:OK Daily update of the WCG can be done but is there no more regular updates done for this project?

NO WCG does not have a BOINC server setup

Darren · Post by **Darren** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:23 pm

It's crap then.
I'll have to do a special version for that one.
Getting the rac & number of members is also an interesting problem.

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:19 pm

What's wrong with once a day?

I think we're too spoilt by the hourly stats! Once a day is fine by me. It's only the odd occasion when it's nice to get more regular stats - but even then I'm sure we could live with it!

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:31 pm

The stats from WCG will hopefully be upgraded soon so then you can update them hourly