SETI broke

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:05 am

Only just noticed this as I don't do SETI

September 7, 2007
We are having problems with our science database server. Currently we are not generating any new work to send out.

Server Status is still showing no work to be sent. Hope everyone has got at least one backup project.

Sir Cracked of the Mind · Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:11 am

There seems to be an ongoing problem here, I'm starting to think that BOINCing and SETI is becoming a victim of it's own success, and the equipment is struggling to cope.
It seems that these system problems are becoming more regular and more serious, we have only just got Rosetta back up, just a SETI goes down.
Bit upsetting but I'm sure the guys are bevering away to repair the problems.

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:09 pm

Sir Cracked of the Mind wrote:There seems to be an ongoing problem here, I'm starting to think that BOINCing and SETI is becoming a victim of it's own success, and the equipment is struggling to cope.
It seems that these system problems are becoming more regular and more serious, we have only just got Rosetta back up, just a SETI goes down.
Bit upsetting but I'm sure the guys are beavering away to repair the problems.

It's quite true that as member involvement with each BOINC project increases, so the bandwidth and hardware demands placed upon the project increase.

This has been a sign of the "growing pain" for some of the "smaller" projects, such as PrimeGrid and Belgian Beer, where the bandwidth issue can become a major bottleneck.

Likewise, many projects are not commercially funded and hence rely on donations of either hardware from sponsors or money from numerous fund raising exercises.

So, in the end, BOINC may only survive if the projects can be funded in such a way as to keep in step with the demands placed on it, by it's members.

I had often wondered whether it might be a good idea for members to have to pay a small membership fee to each project they want to support, in order to help finance the project. Of course this could be open to mis-use (esp. if anyone can start-up a project, get loads of members signed up and then scoots off with the dosh !!).

But of course the problem here is that you won't get "fresh" members signed up - so maybe you pay a fee when you hit a particular threshold....? And then this entitles you access to a faster server (as paid for by the donations) with more available WU's on it....?

regards

Tim

Sir Cracked of the Mind · Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:19 pm

Funny you should mention a small payment, "Planet Quest" are asking for just such a small payment £2:00 I believe although there seems to be some debate about if the payment is compulsory or not.
All the BOINC projects are alway short of cash, seems to come with the territory.

sigma-7 · Post by **sigma-7** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:17 am

Seti works fine for me

just a little patience and a few hits of the update button wiil get you some work to crunch

:D

melter65 · Post by **melter65** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:41 pm

Reading the SETI message boards I have to agree about the project becoming a victim of its own success. Those hardworking blokes try and keep an aging set of kit working without any govt. cash and rely on donations of both money and equipment. They also have to hold down jobs of their own.

Were NASA told by the govt. to pull funding or was it a NASA decision? I can't remember

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:28 am

Something got fixed yesterday!

Team received 338,394 credits according to Temujins site.

RodEllery · Post by **RodEllery** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:53 pm

Loos broke again. Uploads not working, reporting/downloads very slow/intermittant failures.

melter65 · Post by **melter65** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:03 pm

Server Problems again plague Seti@home!

RodEllery · Post by **RodEllery** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:22 am

Just my luck! Thought the weekend outages were over and boosted SETI output. Now got 6 WUs to upload! Will probably just build up a cache of uploads so when they get uploads going again will get a big boost.

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:07 pm

Hi all,

Had just finished some WCG on one PC and so I thought...time to get some SETI WUs....

Now, there's a problem...I get:

28/10/2007 18:58:52 - Scheduler request failed: Server returned nothing (no headers, no data)

Checked the SETI server status page (which I eventually get to - is it slow?) and it looks fine...

regards

Tim

UBT - mickyb69 · Post by **UBT - mickyb69** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:17 pm

Hi tim , just checked mine and all getting is no work from server
Project servers may be temporarily down .
And yes its taking ages to access the site .
Add to that Http internal server error

So its not just you m8 :lol:

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:22 pm

Was slow now back to normal speed. Might be a problem with the BOINCManager.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_th ... rue#656264

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:52 pm

mickyb69 wrote:Hi tim , just checked mine and all getting is no work from server
Project servers may be temporarily down .
And yes its taking ages to access the site .
Add to that Http internal server error

So its not just you m8 :lol:

Hi Micky,

Thanks for that.

I've just tried with my Q6600....and I got loads of 29 minute (to completion time) WUs....nice and short....that'll keep me busy for a while....

But 2 of my other PC's got nowt...

regards

Tim

UBT - mickyb69 · Post by **UBT - mickyb69** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:17 pm

Just looked on the forum ..
Lots of short WU's causing the problems , The splitters can't keep up with us :lol: :lol:

melter65 · Post by **melter65** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:43 pm

I wondered if this might happen when we got close to the start of the Gauntlet!

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:51 pm

Which reminds me - isn't it good etiquette to warn the admins that there's going to be an extra load on the servers when the 'Gauntlet' starts?

Just wondering if that had been done or needs to be done.

melter65 · Post by **melter65** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:53 pm

UBT - Mikee wrote:Which reminds me - isn't it good etiquette to warn the admins that there's going to be an extra load on the servers when the 'Gauntlet' starts?

Just wondering if that had been done or needs to be done.

That's something else I'd wondered about too, Mikee!

UBT - Terry · Post by **UBT - Terry** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:35 am

Dunno if it's just me but every download fails on my rig at the mo

Terry

Sir Cracked of the Mind · Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:46 am

This was the main reason I decided not to join the Gauntlet, SETI is to unreliable for me to comint my one machine to 100%.

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:17 pm

UBT - Terry wrote:Dunno if it's just me but every download fails on my rig at the mo

Terry

Hi Terry,

I had the same problem since last night and it wasn't a lot better this morning.

Got home tonight and everything is rosy...plenty of WU's downloaded and crunching is on-going...

Much have been a blip at SETI...

regards

Tim

UBT - mickyb69 · Post by **UBT - mickyb69** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:23 pm

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/tech_news.php
29 Oct 2007 21:17:47 UTC Technical News
There were minor minor hiccups over the weekend, mostly due to a concentrated bunch of noisy workunits being pushed through the pipeline. Other than that - no big server issues to mention.

Mines fine now its got rid of 30 second WU's

RodEllery · Post by **RodEllery** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:20 am

Yep agree totally. Poor uploads/downloads earlier both Seti and Beta. NOw all seems to be resolved.

UBT - Terry · Post by **UBT - Terry** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:08 am

Yeah all fine now thanks.

Timby · Post by **Timby** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:34 pm

OK so who put the Hex on Seti

as its broke again :twisted:

Gary · Post by **Gary** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:48 pm

Always down this time of day on a tuesday

melter65 · Post by **melter65** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:31 pm

Gary wrote:Always down this time of day on a tuesday

I seem to remember reading that Tuesday is maintenance day in the SETI server room!

UBT - mickyb69 · Post by **UBT - mickyb69** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:36 pm

Down every tuesday 6pm for about 3 to 4 hours.
Make sure you have a few days WU's because some times it goes pear shaped :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Gary · Post by **Gary** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:45 pm

mickyb69 wrote:... because some times it goes pear shaped :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

or even slightly Pete Tong

RodEllery · Post by **RodEllery** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:47 am

Hope all Gauntleteers have reasonable caches. No work fron SETI at present.

November 8, 2007
A big index build is stressing our science databases and the splitters are running very slowly. This has resulted in the project running out of work to send. We hope to see it clear by tomorrow morning.

It actually appears that the splitters are currently disabled.

UBT - mickyb69 · Post by **UBT - mickyb69** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:10 am

:crybaby: :homework: :dontknow: :shock: only got 12 hours work left on my naught 2.8

Results ready to send 0 20m :crybaby: :shock:

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:27 am

mickyb69 wrote::crybaby: :homework: :dontknow: :shock: only got 12 hours work left on my naught 2.8
Results ready to send 0 20m :crybaby: :shock:

Might be an idea to change your Preferences (either in BOINC Manager "Advanced > Preferences > Network usage" or via your SETI account)

Change the "Connect about every" to say 4 days
and change the "Additional Work buffer" to something like 4 to 6 days.

And if SETI has work available, you'll have a nice cache....once the Gauntlet is over, you can reduce this...but it might be an idea to keep it, as it has a benefit for every project you are attached to...!

regards

Tim

UBT - mickyb69 · Post by **UBT - mickyb69** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:36 am

UBT - Timbo wrote:
mickyb69 wrote::crybaby: :homework: :dontknow: :shock: only got 12 hours work left on my naught 2.8
Results ready to send 0 20m :crybaby: :shock:
Might be an idea to change your Preferences (either in BOINC Manager "Advanced > Preferences > Network usage" or via your SETI account)

Change the "Connect about every" to say 4 days
and change the "Additional Work buffer" to something like 4 to 6 days.

And if SETI has work available, you'll have a nice cache....once the Gauntlet is over, you can reduce this...but it might be an idea to keep it, as it has a benefit for every project you are attached to...!

regards

Tim

its just a strange problem i have on my naughty 2.8
all my other comps have 10 days worth and i've been through the settings and prefs with loads of people :lol: have a look at this

Last time contacted server 9 Nov 2007 11:26:10 UTC
% of time BOINC client is running 99.9457 %
While BOINC running, % of time work is allowed 10.5263 %
grrrrrrrr running 24/7 on seti for 9 days now with all other projects suspended , no work and seti resource set on 77%

:lol:

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:54 am

mickyb69 wrote:its just a strange problem i have on my naughty 2.8
all my other comps have 10 days worth and i've been through the settings and prefs with loads of people :lol: have a look at this Last time contacted server 9 Nov 2007 11:26:10 UTC
% of time BOINC client is running 99.9457 %
While BOINC running, % of time work is allowed 10.5263 %
grrrrrrrr running 24/7 on seti for 9 days now with all other projects suspended , no work and seti resource set on 77%
:lol:

You can also check available disk space limits as well...each SETI WU is around 330k....so it might be that with some HDD space taken up by the suspended projects, BOINC might be deciding you don't have enough available HDD space...!

Do you get any comments in the "messages" tab, when you do an UPDATE on SETI?

regards

Tim

UBT - Terry · Post by **UBT - Terry** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:01 pm

I can't get any work either there is none till 2moro according to the Web site

Terry

RodEllery · Post by **RodEllery** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:18 pm

Agreed, but that message is dated the 8th Nov so tomorrow probably means later today.

UBT - Knightlight · Post by **UBT - Knightlight** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:20 pm

This is the message from Seti's site.

November 8, 2007
A big index build is stressing our science databases and the splitters are running very slowly. This has resulted in the project running out of work to send. We hope to see it clear by tomorrow morning.

I'm having trouble getting work units too. Perhaps the Gauntlet has stretched seti to the limits.

I've got one left to process on this CPU. About 6 hours left of WU on another, about 10hours left on another.

oh no

. I guess everyone doing the Gauntlet will have the same trouble though.

UBT - mickyb69 · Post by **UBT - mickyb69** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:16 pm

CPU type GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 7]
Number of CPUs 1
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP
Professional Edition, Service Pack 2, (05.01.2600.00)
Memory 511.48 MB
Cache 976.56 KB
Swap space 2016.64 MB
Total disk space 16.69 GB
Free Disk Space 14.38 GB
update gives me 0 wu's with no fault messages

Post by **UBT-mark3346** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:28 pm

09/11/2007 13:25:08|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. Requesting 132484 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
09/11/2007 13:25:13|SETI@home|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

If the message is like the above that is Seti not having work at the moment

UBT - mickyb69 · Post by **UBT - mickyb69** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:36 pm

This computers not been getting more than 4 wu's for the last 9 days, the stats on the your computer page tells me that seti only runs for 10% of the time boincs running. And it was going so well after tuesdays downtime had few problems ...

melter65 · Post by **melter65** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:42 pm

I upped my cache prior to the Gauntlet starting and still have 55hrs worth of WU's left to crunch! :la:

Is everyone else getting large pending credits? I'm only a single CPU cruncher and I've got almost 1000 pending!

Post by **UBT - bobuk** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:51 pm

i now have 2206 wu's pending
and no more to crunch :(

b.

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:21 pm

Hi all,

I have plenty of work still to crunch....!

I set my connect days and work buffers fairly high, esp on my quad core...coz that just spits out completed WUs every couple of hours at max !!

Leaves me with about 200 WU still to complete...

Mind you - I'm on 24/7 on 3 PC's, so they just get downloaded, crunched uploaded and replaced...!

If you can update your prefs and resource share, via your SETI account, then when SETI has more work (once the splitters are back online), then you'll have work.

Meantime, you'll just have to re-enable another project so your crunching time is used to the max...!

regards

Tim

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:23 pm

melter65 wrote:I upped my cache prior to the Gauntlet starting and still have 55hrs worth of WUs left to crunch! :la:

Is everyone else getting large pending credits? I'm only a single CPU cruncher and I've got almost 1000 pending!

Yup - plenty of pending credits from here as well... 4,300 in fact....!

regards

Tim

Temujin · Post by **Temujin** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:57 pm

UBT - Timbo wrote:[Is everyone else getting large pending credits? I'm only a single CPU cruncher and I've got almost 1000 pending!

My pending credits would claim pos 78 in UBT Seti rankings

RodEllery · Post by **RodEllery** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:22 pm

It's really broke now!

09/11/2007 18:18:43|SETI@home|Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error

UBT - mickyb69 · Post by **UBT - mickyb69** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:31 pm

awwwww crumbs

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:43 pm

Temujin wrote:My pending credits would claim pos 78 in UBT Seti rankings

Ok, OK, mr bragger....

Spare a thought for some of us little guys..... :crybaby:

regards

Tim

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:44 pm

RodEllery wrote:It's really broke now!
09/11/2007 18:18:43|SETI@home|Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error

No worries now though:

09/11/2007 20:44:11|SETI@home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 511]

regards

Tim

RodEllery · Post by **RodEllery** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:49 pm

Musta bin a temporary glitch. It's running as are the splitters. Minimal if any work available as it's all getting grabbed as it apears.

{EDIT} 2 mins later, I've just received 8 WUs. so it's definitely runnung again {/EDIT}

However, if you look at Temujin's stats pages, combined graphs now seem to exclude SETI. Teach him to brag!

Hopefully things will sort themselves out.

Temujin · Post by **Temujin** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:49 pm

RodEllery wrote:However, if you look at Temujin's stats pages, combined graphs now seem to exclude SETI.

???
looks ok to me Rod

UBT - mickyb69 · Post by **UBT - mickyb69** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:59 pm

yay i didn't run out

ta very much seti ..

I also now have 10 wu's for the naughty 2.8 ....6 more than the last 9 days ...what happened ???

Now all i have to do is win the lottery saturday night, Buy a DB7,install air con and 10 quad cores in the attic +1 each for the kids, pack me job in and ...................................................errrrrr beer and errrrrrrrrr some doritos (cheese),a time machine and errrrr some stuff :lol:

RodEllery · Post by **RodEllery** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:07 am

Temujin wrote:looks ok to me Rod

I tried a few times shortly after the SETI site returned. My stats looked ok, but the graphs on clicking my overall total, both from the live and test pages showed no data from SETI from the past 28 days/daily/hourly figures.

GOt me panicing a bit as I had an average of 0 credits for the 7day and 1 day totals. (JUst about 6 credits over the week from Pirates.

It seems ok now though. AS I said, a temporary glitch somewhere.

Temujin · Post by **Temujin** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:50 pm

Temujin wrote:
RodEllery wrote:However, if you look at Temujin's stats pages, combined graphs now seem to exclude SETI.
???
looks ok to me Rod

Aha, I see it (or don't see it, more like)
I've no idea whats happened there but I'll have a look

Timby · Post by **Timby** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:55 pm

Hi John looks like I am in the same

no stats for the month with Seti

Temujin · Post by **Temujin** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:04 pm

There's a number of people involved. All seem to have lost their seti UID in my CPID table, therefore the combined graphs don't include seti

It could be related to seti being down but I'm not sure why some work and some don't :?

edit
it seems that during the 18:00 update, I may have got an incomplete seti xml file.
Part of what it does is sets everybodies seti ID to 0 in my CPID table, then re-updates each row from the xml file, thereby catching any leavers.

Looks like I'll have to revisit that code

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:29 pm

It happens every week during the regular shut-down. I wouldn't worry about it.

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:41 pm

You can't blame me for this as I don't do SETI!

Is there a problem with the stats/XML output? Just had a quick look around some of the stats sites and none appear to show any results since yesterday afternoon. Nothing reported on the SETI site. Usual suspect servers seem to be running normally.

Just thought I'd mention it as it seems our output has dropped by half!

Our stats for example.

Temujin · Post by **Temujin** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:04 pm

UBT - Mikee wrote:You can't blame me for this as I don't do SETI!

Is there a problem with the stats/XML output? Just had a quick look around some of the stats sites and none appear to show any results since yesterday afternoon. Nothing reported on the SETI site. Usual suspect servers seem to be running normally.

Just thought I'd mention it as it seems our output has dropped by half!

Our stats for example.

It looks as though it "might" be coming back

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:15 pm

Ah! Soon as I post it comes back to life!

7000 isn't much to show for the day! No doubt there'll be a lump of 200,000 in subsequent updates then for late yesterday and today's results.

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:15 pm

April 3, 2008
Last night the BOINC database server crashed - it's recovering now and the project should be up shortly.

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:05 pm

Bad temujin, bad bad temujin! :lol:

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:07 pm

Sort of broke yesterday.

I knew we'd get a good day today as we'd have 2 days worth. However, we scored our 2nd EVER highest score with 463,605 credits!

Well done those that do it!