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Have let the team down  :(
My main rig has gone down again with a pair of dead corsair dominator 8500's.
Second time that i have lost the memory using this motherboard so hopefuly this time it will get swapped out along with the memory.

I may even get me a Q6600 while i am there.
Lets see if it will do 3200+ per core. Bring on the rapid climb in RAC.

On the downside will probably take a week and half to get it all sorted out.
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jaysback wrote:Have let the team down  :(  .....
Nay lad, don't be glum...it's only a hobby.... 8)

Just hope you didn't lose anything else when it crashed... :roll:

Are you sure you're not overclocking it a bit too far ??

(Ditto on the Q6600's - Novatech are doing them at £146+VAT each - see the thread here: http://forum.ukboincteam.com/viewtopic.php?t=2787 so I might be interested as well....

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Ram was a little undercloscked running on a devider as I recall.
On auto the board sets the ram at the right voltage but then runs a slight over volt on it. So set this manual.
Other than that it has been running fine DOH!
Have just had RMA email from them, but will need to confirm if they are looking at swapping out the board also.
Think i will go with one of these http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductI ... tID=591501
Couple of bits to sell to fund the upgrade to quad.
My contract has just finished on my phone, so i have a N95 on the way, so i can get my K800 on ebay.
So hopefully the sale of my E6400 should cover the rest of the cost.

Then the fun begins again trying to get it upto 3400.
But tbh will be more than happy with 3200.
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At last!
Back up and running again at 3.6 per core, still only dual though.
Quad 6600 G0 not looking like its going to be around until 28th, but so far i have seen them 3.8 on air.
So luck being with me i will get that on water, just have to wait and see how good it is when it gets here.
Mind you i think a new motherboard is the only way i will get that.

My 12th place has slipped away and looks like 14th is where i will be in a few days time :(

Just need to figure out a way of upgrading the kids rig to this one and getting the quad as mine.
If i can do that than i should be seeing 6k+ a day.
What else can i sell.......
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jaysback wrote:At last!
Back up and running again at 3.6 per core, still only dual though.
Quad 6600 G0 not looking like its going to be around until 28th, but so far i have seen them 3.8 on air.
Where did you find out about the shipping time on G0's ?? I knew they were coming but not "when".

...
jaysback wrote:What else can i sell.......
Looking at your avatar, I guess you could sell your body ... :oops: It seems to be very energetic....! How do you cope with it moving like that all the time ? Must be difficult drinking a cup of tea or a beer, f'rinstance.

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Wish that was me in the outfit.
I should get over £100 for it on fleebay. lol.

http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=114432&page=11
Its scan's own support thread, for what its worth.........
It would be them thats giving me a headache with this motherboard.
Still may just be the case that 2 sets of corsair 8500 have died, but i think not.
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jaysback wrote:....http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=114432&page=11
Its scan's own support thread, for what its worth.........
....
Thanks for the link....muchly appreciated...!

So, I gotta find me some half decent mobo's then....the Anandtech site tested the diff between the B3 and G0 CPU's with a Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R.....anyone know if these are any good ? (Most of my mobo's have tended to be SuperMicro or Asus in the recent past, as I've had problems with Gigabyte boards in the distant past and had stayed clear of them as a result!).

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The asus commando i am on at the moment was one of the first to ship, its got noisey coils and appears to be killing ram.
The kids rig with the a8n32-sli (939) board was good from the off.
Prior to that i had a DFI lanparty nforce 2 jobbie on a refrigeration unit (promi) while it was very hard to get it set up, stable and bios flashed it was very fast.
And before that all ABIT. Which i think is where i might look this time around.
If your wanting a quad then make sure you get a P35 chipset.
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jaysback wrote:This might help you out some.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/eight-p35 ... -2333.html
Another great link - thanks.

Looks like the afore-mentioned GA-P35C-DS3R does pretty well in this test...

And it's future proofed in terms of being able to use either DDR2 (now) or DDR3 (later)...:shock:

These mobo's seem to be less than £100 each as well.... :roll:

Hmmm.....wonder how many I can get for the wonga I've got....?

Think I've got about £500 "spare", so that 2 PC's (2x Quad CPU + mobo's, + DDR2 RAM) I can upgrade

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UBT - Timbo wrote:
Thanks for the link....muchly appreciated...!

So, I gotta find me some half decent mobo's then....the Anandtech site tested the diff between the B3 and G0 CPU's with a Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R.....anyone know if these are any good ? (Most of my mobo's have tended to be SuperMicro or Asus in the recent past, as I've had problems with Gigabyte boards in the distant past and had stayed clear of them as a result!).

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I switched from Gigabyte GA-M55plus-S3G to an Asus Crosshair,  my next board will be a Gigabyte again.
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This is a nice board.
I think it will be very pricey though.
http://us.dfi.com.tw/Press/press_header ... sp&SITE=US
Plus it won't fit my case unless i move all my watercooling around.
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I have just purchased a Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R, and one for a friend, and just started assembly yesterday.  It's too soon for me to give an opinion and 1 of my sticks of RAM is faulty.   :cry:
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Hi johnr.
Will you be overclocking at all?
Q6600 I am guessing.
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Yes overclocking using the stock cooler for now.  The processors are E2140 for £43 which is the one my friend wanted.  People have them up to 2.7 or even 3.0 on stock coolers.  I will upgrade mine I think to a quad 45nm next year when the new cpu’s are out, but for now if it runs a little hot when crunching I’m not worried with such a cheap cpu.  :twisted:
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Well guess what a bargain I just picked up on fleebay.
Brand spanking new Q6600 quad. Shame its only a B3 but so cheap could not help myself.
£121 inc postage :shock:
Should leave me enough to retire the kids opteron and put my E6400 in there.
Maybe even later on get a quad for that too.
Here's to a big hike in my rac.
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jaysback wrote:Well guess what a bargain I just picked up on fleebay.
Brand spanking new Q6600 quad. Shame its only a B3 but so cheap could not help myself.
£121 inc postage :shock: ....

Blooomin' 'eck....

How did I miss that? I've had a few searches on eBay for them, just to monitor the pricing....the Q6600's seem to be going for around £140-150....

Did you get yours from "kam*****" ? They've just put another 17 on ! So, I'll keep an eye on these...

But if word gets out, there might be a bidding war...so don't tell anybody else...!

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PS If it is "kam****", then I'd love to know how they can sell other items with "NO VAT"...... either they aren't registered for VAT or else ??? Let me know when you receive your item, if you get a VAT receipt.
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Tax inspector.... LOL.
And yes it was KAM.
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jaysback wrote:Tax inspector.... LOL.
And yes it was KAM.
Well, good on you :D

I'm trying to figure how they can sell them that cheap....maybe it's the swings and roundabouts approach.

Isn't the new Intel price (for 1000 pieces) approx $266 = GBP 133 (ex VAT) each?

So, yours cost GBP 112 (maybe inc VAT)....and they sold 15 of them in one go....that's a GBP 300 quid loss at least....

Hope KAM don't go bust before they can supply these...!

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The ones that finished a little later that night went for 135 and someone brought all 15 for themselves.

May see how well it clocks if its o.k. its a keeper if not i will flog it when the G0's come out and get me one of those.
or i could sell my e6400 and have 2 quads :lol:
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jaysback wrote:....May see how well it clocks if its o.k. its a keeper if not i will flog it when the G0's come out and get me one of those.
or i could sell my e6400 and have 2 quads :lol:
I don't think there's a lot in it (between the B3 and G0) - maybe up to 6% advantage on the G0. But worth getting the G0, if you can of course as the improvement is effectively free....

In crunching terms, a quad at 2.4GHz will do your RAC far more good than a dual at 2.13GHz, no matter how much either is overclocked.

Four cores are better than two...  8)

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Would you mind if i posted my athlon stuff up on here to see if there is any interest?
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jaysback wrote:Would you mind if i posted my athlon stuff up on here to see if there is any interest?
No worries....make a separate posting, so the "subject" shows what you've got to offer - maybe put a "for sale" bit beforehand, so it's obvious what it's about....!

If someone is interested, then use the PM function to get personal details from people (or use email of course !!).

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Cool.
Shall post it up later on.
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Quad in and running.
Went straight for its throat, in @ 3440mhz.
Will leave it there for a while so as the artic silver 5 can settle in.
57c atm under full boinc load, so hope that will drop a few degrees after a couple of cool downs.

Hears to a large chunk of credits for UBT  :D
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ON the reciept thing.
Just the normal paypal / ebay invoice, nothing more?
If it makes a difference.
Guessing its for claiming the vat back for the company :)
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jaysback wrote:ON the reciept thing.
Just the normal paypal / ebay invoice, nothing more?
If it makes a difference.
Guessing its for claiming the vat back for the company :)
Hi

Yup - from my point of view, I'd love to be able to claim back the VAT as it would be a proper business expense...and as I'm VAT registered, then "every little helps".

Of course, they could be selling these through an off-shore trading account, such as Channel islands, in which case, they aren't charging VAT, but which means buyers might be liable for VAT from Customs & Excise, if they check the package.

Or they just might not be charging the VAT element, in which case Mr Tax Inspector will be frowning on them...as he'll want his 17½%...!

regards

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PS: Oops, just noticed that the G0 Q6600's are now appearing on eBay...

Check out: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0151808422

and

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0151809148

They aren't as cheap as the B3's....!
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G0's have been in stock at scan for a three or four days now.
I would of liked one but this was just way to cheap to pass up.
It may also lead to getting a pair of quads up and running, which will be nice.
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jaysback wrote:Quad in and running.
Went straight for its throat, in @ 3440mhz.
:D

Can only get mine running stable at 2.8.Had it at 3.0 but computer kept restarting after a couple of hours,no good for the rac when your at work :cry:
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post up your specs and I will see if i can give you some pointers.
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Thanks,
Mother board asus p5b

Memory 2x 1GB Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400

Hard drives 36GB Western Digital Raptor +250GB Seagate

Using Aritic silver on cpu and cooling it is a Zalman CNPS7500-ALCU

All encased in a Lian Li PC-7 Plus Aluminium Case.
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whats your temps like under load.
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According to AI Suite 50 degrees and Motherboard is 40
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50 Is ok. but doesn't leave much room for more.
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.c ... 144&page=5
for a review and comparision charts on it.
I am right on the edge of stable atm with my setup.
see sig plus there is a single black ice extreme rad with push pull 120mm thunderblade fans and there is a dual bay res in the loop aswell.
Ambient temps are 26/27 atm and asus prob is reporting anywhere from 55-59 at that.
There 4 120mm and 1 140mm fan cooling it all off, m/b temp is 32.
If i run up core temp that tells me that I am between 64-69, which is to hot for my liking.

My asus commando badly undervolts the cpu stick 1.5 in and under load it gets 1.4, huge drop which does not help any, check to see if your voltage is stable.

I take it your not pushing them memory to far and running a devider, also worth noting mine seems to do much better with the 8 x multiplier.
I am running 8x425.

Try those see how it goes.
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jaysback wrote:Quad in and running.
Went straight for its throat, in @ 3440mhz.
Will leave it there for a while so as the artic silver 5 can settle in.
57c atm under full boinc load, so hope that will drop a few degrees after a couple of cool downs.

Hears to a large chunk of credits for UBT  :D
Looks like it's "happening"....

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Well done !!

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Have been playing with it all morning, so its been off and on.
My climate reset itself from 15% but at least the credits are ok, so have now suspended it while i sort the overclock out.
Currently stands @ 370 x8 = 2960 but with vcore @ 1.325.
won't go 3000 on those volts :(

Will keep playing and see where it takes me.
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The climate models aren't happy unless the machine is at least 24 hours Prime95 stable  (think of them as a stability test which lasts for 3 months).
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I think it was the fact that i was restarting it every couple of mins.
don't think they liked it much.
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jaysback wrote:....And yes it was KAM.
Looks like all their current listings have been cancelled (including the 13 or so Q6600's) and their eBay account is now "Not a registered user"......

http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI ... mcomputers

Wonder why - they only had 2x negatives....

Oh well....I thought it was too good to be true....(selling below cost! )

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BLIMEY!
Guess i was little lucky there then.
Lets hope it doesn't go pop on me and leave me with nowhere to return it.
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Back upto 3160 now.
Have downloaded a programme called TAT (intel thermal analysis tool).
That has to give pretty close readings you would have thought.
At that speed it is showing between 60 - 63 on the cores and 66 / 63 on each cpu. (quad is basicaly 2 c2d's stuck on the same cpu)
75 is about the limit for running these before they start thermal throttling.

Best start looking for another rad me thinks.
May have to go with a 2 x 120mm and the current one at the same time.
Case is going to weigh a tonne.
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At the risk of sounding totally stupid, may I ask a totally stupid question? :D

Could the whole tower be placed inside a small refrigeration unit? (All right, a small fridge!) The necessary cables could run through rubber grommets to keep the chill inside. I've even remembered the CD/DVD drive, an external unit, so you don't have to keep opening the refrigeration unit front hatch (fridge door!)

Could this be done?  :)
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melter65 wrote:At the risk of sounding totally stupid, may I ask a totally stupid question? :D

Could the whole tower be placed inside a small refrigeration unit? (All right, a small fridge!) The necessary cables could run through rubber grommets to keep the chill inside. I've even remembered the CD/DVD drive, an external unit, so you don't have to keep opening the refrigeration unit front hatch (fridge door!)

Could this be done?  :)
Most PC components give off heat, so being put in a chilled atmosphere will help these items stay cool.

EXCEPT:

Some items rely on being at room temperature, else they stop moving (CD/DVD mech, esp. if it uses lubricated guide rails to move the RAYFOC assembly).

Also, there's the question of humidity....inside a fridge, you get  moisture....so, if things start getting iced up (at worst), then there might be issues in terms of electrical shorts.

Of course there are instances, where PCs are used at lower than average temperatures...but I think you're talking about considerably less....!

A better way, might be a more efficient heat exchanger or even a mini-air conditioner, that generates cool dry air that you could "pump" into the inside the PC case....

I've even thought about strapping on a large flexible tube to the outside of my PC cases, so as to direct the warm air outside, rather than warming up the office...but need to consider putting in some low-resistance non-return "flaps" so as to prevent the warm air (from one PC) being forced back into the air outlet of another one...!

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Or you could go down this road.
Had one of these a few years back on my xp2500.
Problem now is that the quad cores produce more heat (watts) than these can cool, unless you get them modified.
Like this guy does.
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jaysback wrote:Or you could go down this road.
Had one of these a few years back on my xp2500.
....
Hang on a sec...£525 + shipping for a cooler....that's really not serious.....cheaper to buy a Quad Core Extreme and underclock it...:wink:

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It costs a lot to be on the edge.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho ... ?p=2392907

I am going to stick at 3100 for the moment, don't like the temps and can't afford one of them coolers. lol.
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I've read about 'vapochill' and the like in some gamer mags, surely you have to reach the stage where 'a bigger fan' just won't do it! :shock:

You need liquid cooling! But then you have to start cutting bits out of your tower (modders!) I don't know if this is for me!

Is there any overclocking us amateurs can do, without adding more cooling systems? (I know a lot depends on your mobo and chip, but just give us a little clue!) :wink:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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Hi melter65
If your not into dry ice or liquid nitrogen (I kid you not) then have a look in this forum.  http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/
Remember you can damage your computer so first follow links for the test software and ways to check cpu and motherboard temperatures.  See if you can find a section on your motherboard and see if you have the best bios update.
Take it slow and easy, and remember when you start the first thing to do is underclock your memory.
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Thanks JohnR, I'll register and have a good read later :)
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The problem with std cases is they are crap at keeping things cool, if you want to overclock only a small amount, then you are going to have to get rid of extra heat or you will just get problems. :evil:

So you could try what I do,  :wink: requires a bit of messing with a drill though :roll:

Fit a 80mm fan to the side of your case in line with your cpu and use a piece of plastic drain pipe the diameter of the fan (75mm pipe will do) and cut to length so that when you put the side of the case on, the end of the pipe will be just above your cpu fan/heatsink (I mean about 2-5mm gap, smaller the better), stick the drain pipe to the fan with chemical metal or silicone sealant.

also fit a fan to the rear of your case to extract hot air. :D

another tip is to have the same area of fans for inlet and outlet, i.e if you have 2x80mm inlet fans then you will need 2x80mm outlet fans

I have also got a 80mm fan/tube thing over my memory cooling fans and one fan mounted inside the front of the case blowing over my twin Raptor HD's.

you can't see the tubes on this pic but you can get a better idea

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currently running AMD X2 4400 with 2Gb Corsair XMS (400Mhz 2-2-2-5-1T) with no overclocking yet, only had this chip 3 weeks, letting it settle in before I turn up the FSB, anyways with full CPDN crunch on both processors I get temps of  35C on CPU , 31C on Mem, 28C on HD's , 29C on Mboard chipset,  with a room temp of 23C  all fans run at an average speed of 2200-2500 rpm.   :confused2:
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Just had a small bash at overclocking my quad.
Currently at 3330 with full load temps that top out @ 61c (using Intel tat software).
I must say that it was well easy on this board, had real trouble with the commando and the quad.
9 x multi was a mare and ended up using the 8 x multi with a higher fsb.
So far I am very impressed with this board seeing as it was £78 and the chip only set me back £130.

Case wise I have a antec P160 front, rear and side 120mm(blowing on N/B / ram / CPU socket) all intake at full speed.
3 x 120mm mounted on the tripple rad at the top on a fanbus extracting along with the psu 140mm and the small amount the gpu fan pulls out.

The tripple rad seems to have helped with the water temps much more than I thought it would.
Before the resivoir was warm to the touch where as now its slightly over ambient.

Will try and work out how to post some pics up on here.
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jaysback wrote:Will try and work out how to post some pics up on here.
Please do! I'm really interested in this overclocking thing. The whole upping power but cooling down seems to be an everlasting mission! :D
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For anyone not wanting to spend a fortune or to rip thier cases to bits try one of these.
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductI ... tID=383006
I have put it ont the kids rig core 2 duo E6400 @ 3440 temp 43c.
Its not far off my old single 120mm rad setup.
Very quiet but it is tall, had to move my 120mm side fan to the outside off the case to fit it.

P.S. quad now at 3420 for 5 hours so far full load 61c showing on intel TAT.

Still more to come I hope :shock:
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Post by UBT - PiezPiedPy »

problem with them big heatsinks is you have to be carefull when you move your computer about, they wobble and put excess stress on the m/board.  :evil:  but if your not gona move your PC   8)
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Post by UBT - Timbo »

Hi all,

So it seems Intel are on the "up" again with new CPUs....

New 45nm Penryn CPUs

Now what do I do....

Wait for a 95W TDP, 6MB L2 cache Q9300 or 12MB L2 cache Q9450 or even a Q9550 !!

Or keep it simple, with an "available now" Q6600 ???.

Hmmm.....questions, questions....!!

regards

Tim
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Post by jaysback »

Nice find on that info.
But jan is such a long way off, how much credit will you miss out on if you leave it that long?

P.S. have started a thread on on pics of your rigs, not taken off like I thought it would.
http://forum.ukboincteam.com/viewtopic.php?t=2962
Any ideas on making it work at all?
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Post by UBT - Timbo »

jaysback wrote:Nice find on that info.
But jan is such a long way off, how much credit will you miss out on if you leave it that long?

P.S. have started a thread on on pics of your rigs, not taken off like I thought it would.
http://forum.ukboincteam.com/viewtopic.php?t=2962
Any ideas on making it work at all?
Hmmm....you are of course right....holding off until then is a bit of a concern, and these new CPUs are likely to be quite expensive with all that L2 cache. I just need to find out if the Q9x CPUs will work on the P35 class mobo's, coz then I can get the mobo's, and Q6600's for now and then upgrade to the Q9x series when they drop in price a bit.

As for the piccy thread.....it's either coz people aren't interested....or they cannot find somewhere to post the piccys, so they can link to them from the forum...

So, I'll offer to host the piccys, if they are emailed to me.....and then I can build up a "Team server farm" page on the UBT website....!

regards

Tim
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Post by jaysback »

I want this. NOW!
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=42441
Please put this in my xmas wish list.......
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