SETI@Home Funding

SETI@home and SETI BETA - project now closed, maybe for good :-(
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SETI@Home Funding

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FuzzyHollynoodles from BOINC synergy asked me to post this to our boards

From here

Eric Korpela, Forum moderator, Project administrator,Project developer,Project scientist, explains:

   Whoa.... Been reading the thread. I wasn't aware that Seti was in such dire straits. I guess I assumed that most of Seti was backed by Universities and grants.
First we need to make the distinction between SETI@home and SETI. SETI is not an organization, SETI is a field of study. There is no centralized organization running SETI efforts. You may have heard of the SETI Institute. They are not SETI. In fact, most of the people working there have never done any SETI related work.

SETI@home is one SETI project run by the UC Berkeley SETI group. In terms of scientific staff, the Berkeley SETI group is me and Dan Werthimer. Matt Lebofsky and Jeff Cobb form the remainder of the staff. David Anderson is running the BOINC program and advises SETI@home. We have a systems administrator that that is leaving on Tuesday because (even if we had ample money) the pay rates for systems administrators at the University don't come close to matching private industry. And we aren't allowed to pay more than the University will let us. (Actually is the state that prevents us from giving raises. Even though we aren't funded through taxes, the University considers us to be part of the overall budget)


That's it, really. 5 people. Less than 3 FTEs.

SETI@home is entirely funded by donations. Most of these donations come from people who also run SETI@home. Universities don't really "back" anybody. Faculty at Universities and expected to bring in their own funding. If Dan and I don't bring in money, we don't get paid, but we still keep our jobs (without pay). Matt and Jeff get a pink slip. In exchange for a cut of that funding, the universities provide offices and keep the lights on.

The NSF and NASA currently do not fund any SETI observing programs. At least none that I am aware of. Nor does any other government agency. We submit grant applications to the NSF Galactic Astronomy program, but we are unlikely to get funding. The sorry truth is that the $500,000 per year needed to keep SETI@home running is very large fraction the entire annual NSF Galactic Astronomy budget. The proposals are reviewed by other Astronomers, none of whom work on SETI. They naturally would prefer that the funding remain in the areas of astronomy in which they work. These are also predominantly astronomers who are Professors who get paid by the University for "teaching" in during the school year. (Even though the bulk of astronomy professors rarely teach). Therefore they frown upon paying "senior personnel" with the money they control. And because of earmarks that happened last year, the NSF Astronomy budget is getting squeezed.

Previously SETI@home was funded by corporate donations and matching funds a state program run by the UC Office of the President. SETI@home does not currently have any corporate donors that provide financial donations. Therefore we are entirely dependent on donation which predominantly come from people who run SETI@home.

Regarding to potential of finding wealthy sponsors. We, unfortunately, are forbidden from contacting most wealthy individuals directly unless we have a current relationship with them (i.e. they run SETI@home) or if they contact us. This policy is set by the U.C. Office of the President because the U.C. President prefers to direct such funding toward projects he wants funded. (i.e. a new business school, a new building for biological sciences, whatever else the president wants as his legacy). Funding SETI@home won't get the U.C. President a statue on Sproul plaza. Many wealthy donors to the University also want a lasting (concrete) legacy. Funding projects rather than buildings doesn't really cause letters to appear in granite cornerstones.

  I was under the assumption that it was managed by people skilled in the area of management.


Dan and I have many, many years of experience in project management. The other half of my time, I'm an ultraviolet astronomer that manages the development of instruments for space missions. Being a skilled project manager doesn't help when you can't afford to pay people. You can't hire people until you have enough money to pay then. The University is pretty strict about that.

   Why donate to a project when the core business or mission isn't being looked after. On the other hand, there is a need to introduce something new to entice more funding which in turn will provide the needs to return to the original mission.
   Am I seeing this correctly so far in basic terms?

I think you are seeing it pretty well. Unfortunately with a staff of 3 FTEs we end up chasing fires a lot of the time rather than doing new things, and without money we can't hire more staff. Server outages are bad press, so keeping them running is high on the priority list (and is certainly part of the core mission). We will have some new things to announce this year, but how many and when is a question I can't yet answer.
--
Eric

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I mailed Dr. Anderson and asked him for a statement to post here as a comment to this, and he was so kind to answer me.

Dr. David Anderson said:

To Eric's excellent post, I would only add:

1) SETI@home's scientific progress is limited by money,
and it has made slow progress in the last several years.
To each BOINC participant:
carefully examine the list of volunteer computing projects,
and decide which of them is doing the most good.
(This is a personal decision - it depends on your beliefs and values).
By promoting the idea of "cross-project" credit totals,
we have tried to eliminate the incentive to stick
with one project indefinitely.

And also, in response to some of the posts:

2) Buying items from the SETI@home store brings a small
amount of money to SETI@home, but it is much more cost-effective
to contribute directly.

-- David


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Thank you David for taking the time for this. It's very much appreciated.




For your info, the questions about items bought in the Seti store was brought up on the BOINC Synergy forum, which I linked to him to see, so he addressed this also.

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So this also links in to our UBT thread about Project Donations

Paypal is also trialling a new virtual debit card so if this succeeds it will hopefully open up the door for a lot more SETI users to actually donate money direct to the project

Edit:   :naka:

Just seen a message on SETI BETA forum, Simon has set up a SETI Paypal Gateway, Eric one of the project Developers has full access to this paypal account.

So now there is another option avialbale for people to donate to SETI with
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I was going to make a donation to SAH as well as one toward the funding of our team site, but there is no way I'll ever use Paypal again so if there is another means I'd gladly contribute.

Perhaps they should try the Lottery grants, a long shot but they have given grants to some ridiculous causes.
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If you have a credit card then use that as the main way to send a donation, you can send over a cheque (check) so long as its in dollars.

SETI@Home don't use paypal as the university won't allow them to set up there own bank account to recieve payments which is a big shame. As soon as the BETA virtual debit card comes out I will be using that to send a payment over if it comes out over here in the UK
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Gary wrote:I was going to make a donation to SAH as well as one toward the funding of our team site, but there is no way I'll ever use Paypal again so if there is another means I'd gladly contribute.

Perhaps they should try the Lottery grants, a long shot but they have given grants to some ridiculous causes.
Hi Gary (and anyone else !)

If anyone wants to make a SETI donation, you might like to know that I am happy to take VISA/Mastercard/Maestro credit/debit cards via my business.

Then I can collate all payments and send one total payment to SETI@home.

(I don't mind swallowing the 2% Barclaycard charge me, so that YOUR entire donation can be transferred to SETI@home).

Best thing is to PM me if you are interested and we can set the wheels in motion.

regards

Tim
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Post by Gary »

Just made a donation to Seti but it said there was something wrong (checked & double checked details ) with my card ?
So I'll have to wait and see if my card was debited.

Hi Tim,

Want a tenner towards the UBT site ?

Gary
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Gary wrote:Just made a donation to Seti but it said there was something wrong (checked & double checked details ) with my card ?
I had the same trouble last year, took ages to get the payment through and never did get a star
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I only just got my star from last years drive from a lot of nagging and nudging from myself and Tim :(
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They have been having troubles of late regarding the money donation pages
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Gary wrote:Just made a donation to Seti but it said there was something wrong (checked & double checked details ) with my card ?
So I'll have to wait and see if my card was debited.

Hi Tim,
Want a tenner towards the UBT site ?
Gary
Hi Gary

Did I smell money????? Cor...so I did ! 8)

If you fancy making a donation to the UBT running costs, it would be greatly appreciated.

Just click here (to do it online via PayPal):
http://www.ukboincteam.org.uk/ubt-funding.html

Any amount is valued even if PayPal take their normal "cut"....

Alternatively, let me know a landline number and I can do via credit card (who only take 2% !!)
Or you can ping a cheque/postal order in the post.

regards

Tim
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UBT - Timbo wrote: Or you can ping a cheque/postal order in the post.
regards

Tim
If you like pm me an account name, number, sort code & I'll do it online now.

no cheque clearing time,paying hassle and no p****l fees  :D

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Small donation on its way.

come on set them moths free..................................... and help out UBT  :lol:
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well done Bobuk, very generous, I bet you'll be top donor, no one will top that, will they :wink:
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UBT - Halifax--lad wrote:They have been having troubles of late regarding the money donation pages
Received an email earlier...

Thank you for your on-line gift to the SETI@home project.  In checking our
records, it appears that your gift did not go through and your credit card
was not charged.

If you still would like to make a gift to SETI, please re-try making your
gift on-line.
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typical,
after donating to seti last year and not getting a star when I wanted one, this year I asked not to have a star and I've got one Image
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Temujin wrote:...after donating to seti last year and not getting a star when I wanted one, this year I asked not to have a star and I've got one
Does that mean that Image's are awarded on a per year basis?

I thought they were "permanent", such that once awarded, it was there for good....

But if they only have a certain "lifespan" then this might explain why a couple of members have lost their stars recently...!

regards

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UBT - Timbo wrote:Does that mean that Image's are awarded on a per year basis?

I thought they were "permanent", such that once awarded, it was there for good....
My understanding is that a donation (and the star) is for 1 year only.
you can have my star if you want it  :D
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UBT - Timbo wrote:
Temujin wrote:...after donating to seti last year and not getting a star when I wanted one, this year I asked not to have a star and I've got one
Does that mean that Image's are awarded on a per year basis?

I thought they were "permanent", such that once awarded, it was there for good....

But if they only have a certain "lifespan" then this might explain why a couple of members have lost their stars recently...!

regards

Tim

Copied from the SETI donation page.


If you have a SETI@home account, please make sure the e-mail address you enter on the gift form exactly matches the one in your account. Then after the donation is processed the  icon will appear next to your name on our website (in stats pages, message boards, etc.) for the following year.


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Temujin wrote:My understanding is that a donation (and the star) is for 1 year only. you can have my star if you want it  :D
Hi John,

OK, thanks - that would explain why some Team members have lost their star recently !!

Shame.

Mind you - might be an idea if you could keep the star and then be awarded new one's for every new donations... :wink:

regards

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Rockinfroggi wrote:Copied from the SETI donation page.

If you have a SETI@home account, please make sure the e-mail address you enter on the gift form exactly matches the one in your account. Then after the donation is processed the  icon will appear next to your name on our website (in stats pages, message boards, etc.) for the following year.

Gary
Hi Gary,

Thanks for finding that info - I hadn't spotted it before...but then again, I rarely visit the SETI@home pages, as I prefer to just crunch away on the projects.... :oops:

regards

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Post by UBT - Halifax-lad »

Have edited the 1st post on this topic so go back to the 1st message and look toward the bottom you will see there is another way to donate now :wink:
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Sent a payment through the paypal gateway - So will be the proud owner of a green star 8)
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