Linux for the nervous

[Rockinfroggi]

I've found something that maybe useful to those who would like to try Linux but are worried about partitioning their drives or all the other problem associated with Linux it's called Wubi.

I'm in the process of trying it out at the moment even though I already have Linux on most systems.

This installs the latest Ubuntu version to a file and links to the boot loader, the advantage being that there is no partitioning involved and if you don't like it you just uninstall it without having to delete partitions or replace your MBR.

I'm assuming that unlike the live CD which gives you a taste of Linux, with this you will be able to install software and updates including Boinc.

I'll report back when I've given it a test run but anyone wishing to take a look or take the plunge    http://cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/w ... index.html

Edit, Installed without a hitch, I've updated packages and repositories with synaptic with no problems so just need to sort Boinc out.

Gary.

Edit by Darren: Fixed the link

[UBT - Mikee]

I'm still scared of Linux! Don't want to break what I've all ready got!

OK - what would be the main advantage of Linux compared to installed Windoze XP?

Being a total virgin on this what is 'synaptic'?

[Rockinfroggi]

I'm still scared of Linux! Don't want to break what I've all ready got!

OK - what would be the main advantage of Linux compared to installed Windoze XP?

Being a total virgin on this what is 'synaptic'?

Advantages hmmm, that depends who you ask I suppose but I'll try to list a few.

Most versions of Linux, including Ubuntu, are free, both in terms of money and in terms of the fact it is open-source meaning you can change what you like in it in any way you like without having to answer to anyone.

Linux is also far safer than any Microsoft products and suffers from very little by way of viruses and hacking, uses less system resources and if you  ran it 24/7 would not need to reboot all the time after updates or to free up resources.

All the software you could ever need is also free to download and install.

Most hardened Linux users spread the word because they hate Microsoft and all that it stands for, I use it because I like to play with things and learn.

In terms of Bounc, there are a few Linux only projects, but others (if using the 64bit version) give much higher credits and complete much faster with Linux.

Synaptic is a package loader, a program that will list what software is available for your distro and will download and install it for you.


Linux does have a steep learning curve but Ubuntu has addressed a lot of the newbie issues and is by far the most user friendly distro.

With the link I have posted (and Darren has fixed?) you shouldn't break anything as I said, there is no partitioning or alterations made to your system other than adding Ubuntu to the boot loader so you can choose either Linux or Windows when you boot. if you find you hate it, just uninstall it as you would any other software.

If you want to look at Linux without installing anything then download the Live CD version which you just burn to a disc and leave in your CD/DVD drive reboot and you have a working Linux system without installing a thing.
You will only be able to look at some of the software with this but not be able to install or save anything, but it's a good taster for seeing what Ubuntu looks and feels like.


BTW, I'm no Linux expert though I have played with many versions over the past 12 or so years.

Hope this helps and I'm happy to answer any questions I'm able too or point you in the direction of online help.

Gary.

[Rockinfroggi]

Thanks Darren for repairing the link I posted, sorry, i should have tested it myself before posting.


Gary.

[Temujin]

I'll second all that Gary said :thumbup:

and definately give a Live CD a go if your curious

[Timby]

I have been playing around with Linux for a few months now, after Gary pointed me in the right direction! I use Ubuntu 32bit and 64bit apps, if I can do it I am sure most other users on here could manage an installation with a little direction.
BTW, Yes the 64bit version running Boinc is a lot quicker.

[Gary]

BTW, I'm no Linux expert though I have played with many versions over the past 12 or so years.

Hope this helps and I'm happy to answer any questions I'm able too or point you in the direction of online help.

Gary.

Since I've had loadsa probs with xp I'm gonna take you up on your offer to help installing linux.

[Timby]

Well done Gary, Mr Froggi is your man, if I can be of assistance just let me know!

[Rockinfroggi]

BTW, I'm no Linux expert though I have played with many versions over the past 12 or so years.

Hope this helps and I'm happy to answer any questions I'm able too or point you in the direction of online help.

Gary.

Since I've had loadsa probs with xp I'm gonna take you up on your offer to help installing linux.

Nice to see your ugalilly mug back in the forum again Mr Gary #2.5

Next time you want to take a holiday could you please check the dates with Mr Timbo as if everyone just went swanning off at random I could be left talking to myself in the forum  :shock:


The #1 Gary  

[Gary]

Nice to see your ugalilly mug back in the forum again Mr Gary #2.5

told you before keep off my lilly

Next time you want to take a holiday could you please check the dates with Mr Timbo as if everyone just went swanning off at random I could be left talking to myself in the forum  :shock:

The #1 Gary  

got lost in cyberspace

[Gary]

Seriously, yesterday I got round to adding a raptor 36gb hd solely for the operating system and program files.

the 400gb I'll use just for data storage, can I put linux on this and if I like it would it be easy to put on the smaller drive ?

[Rockinfroggi]

That depends on whether you are talking about installing a normal Linux distro or the Wubi version mentioned in my first post. That would need to be installed on your main boot drive as it needs to add files to the Windows directory to give you the option at boot time.

If you want to install the normal Ubuntu or other Linux distro  on your second drive then you would either need to use a 3rd party boot manager or do as Timby does and change boot drives in the Bios when you want to boot into Linux.

I'm pretty sure John posted somewhere about setting Linux up on a second drive but I've not tried this as I dual boot from the same drive on all my systems.

I'll see if I can locate Johns post.
Found it

Yep, thats no problem
during the linux install you'll be asked where you want to install linux, just point it at the 2nd HD.
It will normally then ask you which OS you want as boot default
It will then write to the MBR of the 1st HD and you'll get a boot-time menu
should work fine

Gary.

[Temujin]

I'm pretty sure John posted somewhere about setting Linux up on a second drive but I've not tried this as I dual boot on all my systems.

Yep, thats no problem
during the linux install you'll be asked where you want to install linux, just point it at the 2nd HD.
It will normally then ask you which OS you want as boot default
It will then write to the MBR of the 1st HD and you'll get a boot-time menu
should work fine

Yep :thumbup:
I initially had my current linux box dual booting winxp & linux, with linux on the 2nd HD.
It used grub as the bootloader, presented you with a boot-time menu and allowed you to specify which OS to boot by default.

At the time I was using Centos and later Fedora Core 5.
Its now purely linux with Fedora Core 5.

[Gary]

cor blimey, far too tricky a task for me.

If I put a 3rd drive in and put linux on that, would it easier ?

[Temujin]

cor blimey, far too tricky a task for me.

If I put a 3rd drive in and put linux on that, would it easier ?

Hi Gary
Can you clarify things for me
You're currently running winxp and you have a further 2 hard disks, a 36gb and a 400gb??
And those 2 disks would be for which OS, windows, linux or both?

I'm not sure which bit you think is tricky, if you meant my bit about installing on a 2nd HD, don't worry, thats about 3 or 4 mouse clicks, nothing to it.

[Gary]

Hi Gary
Can you clarify things for me
You're currently running winxp and you have a further 2 hard disks, a 36gb and a 400gb??
And those 2 disks would be for which OS, windows, linux or both?

I'm not sure which bit you think is tricky, if you meant my bit about installing on a 2nd HD, don't worry, thats about 3 or 4 mouse clicks, nothing to it.

Hello John,

I have internal hd...
1x36gb with xp on
1x400 with my documents folder
since the 36gb has a fresh xp install, the 400gb a recent format theres not much on either, plus I have a 160 gb external for back-up.

I'm thinking of putting another harddrive in just for linux and using the 400 gb for data storage for both os ?

Gary

[Temujin]

Hello John,
I have internal hd...
1x36gb with xp on
1x400 with my documents folder
since the 36gb has a fresh xp install, the 400gb a recent format theres not much on either, plus I have a 160 gb external for back-up.

I'm thinking of putting another harddrive in just for linux and using the 400 gb for data storage for both os ?

Gary

Aha, I see now
Yep, a 3rd HD would work just as well for linux although I've never done that myself.

Sharing the 400gb between winxp & linux could be tricky though.
You could either re-partition it so each OS has its own lump of it
or, you can install ntfs tools (its presumeably ntfs?). Doing that will allow your linux OS to "mount" your windows disks, I used to do the same when I dual booted and stored linux downloaded videos on the windows disk

Either way, there's a little bit of work required but nothing too taxing.

[Gary]

Aha, I see now
Yep, a 3rd HD would work just as well for linux although I've never done that myself.

Sharing the 400gb between winxp & linux could be tricky though.
You could either re-partition it so each OS has its own lump of it
or, you can install ntfs tools (its presumeably ntfs?). Doing that will allow your linux OS to "mount" your windows disks, I used to do the same when I dual booted and stored linux downloaded videos on the windows disk

Either way, there's a little bit of work required but nothing too taxing.

yes they're both ntfs I wasn't given the option of fat32 which I would have preferred.

partioning the 400gb (actual 370gb, windows takes up to 10%) isn't a problem as there is not much on it, only if I knew how.

So what I'd like is linux on one drive, xp on the other, both having a share of the 400gb drive for data etc.

[Rockinfroggi]

yes they're both ntfs I wasn't given the option of fat32 which I would have preferred.

partioning the 400gb (actual 370gb, windows takes up to 10%) isn't a problem as there is not much on it, only if I knew how.

So what I'd like is linux on one drive, xp on the other, both having a share of the 400gb drive for data etc.

If you are planning to use the 160GB for Linux I don't think you'd need worry about using the 400GB for data storage.

The initial Linux install will be around 3.4GB and even if you installed every bit of Linux software I doubt you'd use more than 30Gb, Linux suffers from far less bloatware than Windows.

You'll have more than enough room on the 160 unless you're busy editing your home made porn films

My system drives range from 80GB to 250GB and all are networked to a 320 external drive for backups, with backups for 6 systems plus around 20,000 mp3's 10's of thousands of photo's artwork and 3D graphics and it's still not even half full.


Gary.

[Gary]

You'll have more than enough room on the 160 unless you're busy editing your home made spam films

Gary.

you been watching ?

Spied upon Gary

[Rockinfroggi]

I take it a certain word is a no no in the forum as some little fairy has edited my post.

I have no objection to this but would be grateful if, when I give up crunching you could point me in the direction of a good Spam Broker to sell my systems to


Three Spherical sphered Frog

[DJH@GB-Ro]

No one edited, it's the word filter Type a rude word and see  :lol:

[Rockinfroggi]

No one edited, it's the word filter Type a rude word and see  :lol:

I don't know any rude words  I've had a very sheltered upbringing  :shock:


Saint Froggi.

[Temujin]

If you are planning to use the 160GB for Linux I don't think you'd need worry about using the 400GB for data storage.

The initial Linux install will be around 3.4GB and even if you installed every bit of Linux software I doubt you'd use more than 30Gb, Linux suffers from far less bloatware than Windows.

You'll have more than enough room on the 160 unless you're busy editing your home made spam films

good point and quite true.

My linux box has just 1x80gb drive and that runs a web server and mysql database for my stats site, so your 160gb would be ample.

And if you install ntfstools, you'll be able to write to the 400gb anyway.

[Gary]

The 160 gb is an external used for back up.

I am going to put another hd in today just for linux.

[Gary]

300gb hd installed ready for linux.

[DJH@GB-Ro]

Welcome back Gary :D

I installed Ubuntu a couple of weeks ago and it's nice and easy to use. If you need any help getting BOINC to run as a service, Temujin used his Linux skills to get it set up on my Ubuntu. Took a lot of experimentation, but you won't have to do if you ask us


btw, looking forward to seeing what the next PF influence will be in either sig or avatar  8)

[Gary]

Thanks Doug.

As soon as the drive is finished formatting, which I've only just discovered how to using the disk management tool, I think I'll take a look at the software in the link provided by rockinfroggi.

I did see, somewhere among the many versions of linux, a 64bit for AMD chips be nice to give that a go.

As I'm bound to mess something up, nice to know there's help.

PF theme, have a look when I get my documents folder set up, I was going to bore you all with the odd holiday snap in the sig  :lol:

[Gary]

The wubi installer wouldn't load onto my windows drive.

[Rockinfroggi]

The wubi installer wouldn't load onto my windows drive.

Are you running XP or Vista? it's not Vista compatible at the moment but should be soon, I've tried it on 3 different XP systems and one Win98 just to check for bugs and it's gone without a hitch on all.


Gary.

[Darren]

Mine didn't work either.
Installed fine but wjhen I try and start it up I get an error message thats summat like...

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MBR cylinders 10012 is not equal to the BIOS one (1023)

Might be that the MBR is screwed on the drive but at the minute XP works fine so I'll wait for linux until summat fails

[Rockinfroggi]

Mine didn't work either.
Installed fine but wjhen I try and start it up I get an error message thats summat like...

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MBR cylinders 10012 is not equal to the BIOS one (1023)

Might be that the MBR is screwed on the drive but at the minute XP works fine so I'll wait for linux until summat fails

Can you remember if you set your drive up manually in the Bios or was the Bios set to auto detect?

The MBR is easy enough to repair if you have the Windows disc or original setup disc if it came installed.

But if you are worried about screwing Windows up it might be best to leave as you say as I don't wanna get blamed for messing up your PC.


Gary.

[Darren]

I'll leave it alone for now ta.
Everything is set to auto so I can add/remove extra drives when I need to clone them for school.

[Gary]

Mine didn't work either.

Are you running AMD too ?

[Rockinfroggi]

Mine didn't work either.

Are you running AMD too ?

Is your problem the same as Darren's?

AMD should not pose a problem so there must be something else causing it.

What are the system requirements?

256 MB RAM and an 1 GHz or faster Intel/AMD processor is recommended for optimal performance, though Xubuntu might work on less. As for disk space, the installation requires a minimum of 3GB. This space is mostly used by the virtual hard disk file. Most computers purchased within the last 3 years should be able to run Ubuntu fine, and Xubuntu is suitable for older computers.

What error message if any were you getting Gary?



Gary.

[Gary]

Hello Gary,

The live cd kept hanging with a "Kernel Alive" error? when trying to install.
The solution, apparently,  is to change one word (splash to noapic) in a command line after pressing f6 on the options screen, I did this and got a quick look at Linux    :D

But in my paranoia and fear of b*******g it up (my pc) and deleting the hd's I rebooted, so I will have a go at installing Linux later, after I've disconnected the drives I don't want messed up.

Wubi gave another type of kernel error , can't remember what it was  :oops:

EDIT: just remembered "kernel panic"

[Timby]

Just a quick word, I also tried to install V7.04 last night on to a spare HDD, won't work, get an error message so I tried V6.10 which installed without any problems at all???

You could try that route, install V6.10 and upgrade to V7.04 when its up and running??

Just a thought

Mark

[Rockinfroggi]

Hello Gary,

The live cd kept hanging with a "Kernel Alive" error? when trying to install.
The solution, apparently,  is to change one word (splash to noapic) in a command line after pressing f6 on the options screen, I did this and got a quick look at Linux    :D

But in my paranoia and fear of b*******g it up (my pc) and deleting the hd's I rebooted, so I will have a go at installing Linux later, after I've disconnected the drives I don't want messed up.

Wubi gave another type of kernel error , can't remember what it was  :oops:

Well the live CD will allow you to play around and find your way around Ubuntu without any risk what so ever, so if I were you I'd just play with that for a while and get used to what is what before you.

If you just spend the odd half hour on it from time to time so you don't cut into your crunching time it should make you more comfortable when you are ready to try the install.


Gary.

[Rockinfroggi]

Just a quick word, I also tried to install V7.04 last night on to a spare HDD, won't work, get an error message so I tried V6.10 which installed without any problems at all???

You could try that route, install V6.10 and upgrade to V7.04 when its up and running??

Just a thought

Mark

Was that the full Ubuntu install or Wubi?


Gary.

[Timby]

Hi Gary, it was a full bootable CD with V7.04, not tried the Wubi version yet, might give it a go later

Mark

[Darren]

Mine didn't work either.

Are you running AMD too ?

Nope, Pentium D Dual core 3.2

[Rockinfroggi]

Hi Gary, it was a full bootable CD with V7.04, not tried the Wubi version yet, might give it a go later

Mark

There is no reason why you shouldn't try Wubi Mark but by the same token you have nothing to gain from using it as you are no longer a Linux novice.

The only reason I pointed out Wubi was because I'd seen a number of members indicate they would like to try Linux but were afraid of messing up their systems or didn't like the idea of partitioning their drives, it also uses a special version of Grub so doesn't alter your MBR meaning you can just uninstall it via add/remove programs and your system is back to the way it was..

I've installed it simply to check it worked and try to work out any problems others might have as it still is in Beta. So far I've found no problems myself and it functions the same as the full install and allows you to run Boinc unlike the Live CD.


Gary.

[UBT - bobuk]

Hi Gary, it was a full bootable CD with V7.04, not tried the Wubi version yet, might give it a go later

Mark

There is no reason why you shouldn't try Wubi Mark but by the same token you have nothing to gain from using it as you are no longer a Linux novice.

The only reason I pointed out Wubi was because I'd seen a number of members indicate they would like to try Linux but were afraid of messing up their systems or didn't like the idea of partitioning their drives, it also uses a special version of Grub so doesn't alter your MBR meaning you can just uninstall it via add/remove programs and your system is back to the way it was..

I've installed it simply to check it worked and try to work out any problems others might have as it still is in Beta. So far I've found no problems myself and it functions the same as the full install and allows you to run Boinc unlike the Live CD.


Gary.

ive just started using wubi and after the initial teething problems  now have ABC  running nice and smooth on it  :D
i will keep it runing over night and see if all is ok in the morning...

if i can do it at my age all you youngsters should have no problems at all..
so come on give it a try ...

b.

ps....with thanks to 'froggy' and timby

[Timby]

Well done Bob and congrats on your installation, you obviously read the manual  

[Rockinfroggi]

ive just started using wubi and after the initial teething problems  now have ABC  running nice and smooth on it  :D
i will keep it runing over night and see if all is ok in the morning...

if i can do it at my age all you youngsters should have no problems at all..
so come on give it a try ...

b.

ps....with thanks to 'froggy' and timby

Well done Bob obviously Timby helped you sort out your Boinc problem as you didn't reply to my PM.

You can sign up to Wep now as we could do with a few more on there


Gary.

[Gary]

Unfortunately wubi doesn't work for some of us.

[Rockinfroggi]

Unfortunately wubi doesn't work for some of us.

Can't understand why not, the only possible thing I can think of is I'm sure I remembered you saying Windows was on a raptor drive? don't they run a 10,000rpm? could be that they are not yet supported. Let me know if that is the drive and I'll see if I can find out if this is the problem.


Gary.

[Gary]

Aye, the raptor is the windows drive

[Rockinfroggi]

Aye, the raptor is the windows drive

I can't find any mention of a problem with the Raptor drive though there are problems with some western Digital drives in that they can't co-exist on the same IDE cable with other makes of drive.

As yours is SATA then this shouldn't be the problem.

If you attempt it again let me know exactly what the error message was.

Not to put a damper on things though but I hope you didn't buy the Raptor purely for it's spin speed as you could have bought a 500GB Samsung Spinpoint for just a little more which due to to it's higher density produces seek times in some cases faster than the Raptor


Useless Frog.

[Gary]

I can't find any mention of a problem with the Raptor drive though there are problems with some western Digital drives in that they can't co-exist on the same IDE cable with other makes of drive.

As yours is SATA then this shouldn't be the problem.

If you attempt it again let me know exactly what the error message was.

Not to put a damper on things though but I hope you didn't buy the Raptor purely for it's spin speed as you could have bought a 500GB Samsung Spinpoint for just a little more which due to to it's higher density produces seek times in some cases faster than the Raptor

Enlightened Frog.

I will give it another go, the error was a "kernel panic" .

I bought it because I wanted a small hd just for xp + program files it was the the smallest hd in the shop at the time & remembered some boinc projects like fast drives plus it was a reasonable price

Got the  samsung Spinpoint 401LJ + 300LJ  :D

[Timby]

This post will be of no value for those who can't get Wubi to install!!!!!!!!!

I loaded it without any problems at all last night !!

Now today is a different matter cos I couldnt remember the user name hence I can't log in on Linux


Looks like I will need to reinstall

[Rockinfroggi]

This post will be of no value for those who can't get Wubi to install!!!!!!!!!

I loaded it without any problems at all last night !!

Now today is a different matter cos I couldnt remember the user name hence I can't log in on Linux


Looks like I will need to reinstall

Wad a plonker, you could recover your user name in a normal Linux install, but I'm not sure how it can be done with Wubi as it doesn't use the standard version of grub.

Gary.

[Timby]

Problem solved, soon as I went to run the installer it had the user name still visable!!

Job done and the machine is up and crunching on ABC  :lol:

[Rockinfroggi]

Problem solved, soon as I went to run the installer it had the user name still visable!!

Job done and the machine is up and crunching on ABC  :lol:

Handy thing to know should anyone else install Wubi after 12 Belgian Beers  :shock: and forget who they are

It's not quite that easy with a normal install, so remember folks, don't drink and drive Linux.


Gary.

[Gary]

The solution, apparently,  is to change one word (splash to noapic) in a command line after pressing f6 on the options screen, I did this and got a quick look at Linux    :D

Got Ubuntu 7.04 installed at the 1st attempt earlier today using the steps above, even tried a few abc wus after getting boinc setup  :D

[Rockinfroggi]

The solution, apparently,  is to change one word (splash to noapic) in a command line after pressing f6 on the options screen, I did this and got a quick look at Linux    :D

Got Ubuntu 7.04 installed at the 1st attempt earlier today using the steps above, even tried a few abc wus after getting boinc setup  :D

Well done Gary, I did post something similar in Terry's thread.

Glad you got it sorted.

Gary. (someone has to change their name, this feels like I'm talking to myself)

[Timby]

Well Done Gary, its a steep learning curve but well worth the effort, soon have to change the teams name at this rate!!!

[Gary]

Huge guide here...

http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty

[UBT - Terry]

Cheers Gary and Gary will try it

[UBT - The Prof....]

Have managed to load Linux ok, but when i try to instal boinc i keep getting error messages  :(

Do i have to take the version of boinc in windows out before it will install on Linux or am i doing something wrong?

THICK TRAIN DRIVER,
suffering from hay fever, tired, p****d off and wanting to go to sleep but have to go to work instead.

[Rockinfroggi]

Have managed to load Linux ok, but when i try to instal boinc i keep getting error messages  :(

Do i have to take the version of boinc in windows out before it will install on Linux or am i doing something wrong?

THICK TRAIN DRIVER,
suffering from hay fever, tired, p****d off and wanting to go to sleep but have to go to work instead.

A bitious morous informationious pleasous  :shock:

Did you install Wubi or the full monty?

No, you don't have to touch Boinc in Windows.

What error messages are you getting?

And lastly, please don't sleep while driving trains, kinda gets a bit messy.


Gary.

[UBT - The Prof....]

Will get back to you, going to try again first to see if i can get it right.
Installed from internet [ubuntu].
OK so far?

[UBT - The Prof....]

What I am getting is :- gedit has not been able to detect the character coding
Character coding :- Current Locale (UTF-8)
 
File I am trying to open is:-  boinc_5_8_16_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh (/tmp) - gedit

Still having no luck with this. Doing this message through linux so I know the system works, but will have to go back to windows now to get some crunching done.

Hope this is what you wanted, have to go out now so will look at the forum again when I have time for your comments.

[Gary]

Hi Bob,

I got the same error message when trying to install Boinc after d/loading.

I used the synapt......downloader thingy within Linux search for Boinc and it installed within a few clicks, only thing its not the latest version of Boinc but it worked  :D

[Rockinfroggi]

Hi Bob,

I got the same error message when trying to install Boinc after d/loading.

I used the synapt......downloader thingy within Linux search for Boinc and it installed within a few clicks, only thing its not the latest version of Boinc but it worked  :D

The Boinc client available in the package managers as Gary pointed out is an earlier version but is obviously supported by Ubuntu.

I have been on to the Ubuntu team to ask why they can't keep this more up to date as distributed computing is becoming so popular and many are put off Linux because updating the client can be a pain when you don't understand the file structure or how to compile source code.

The advantage to using the version Gary is using is that it will start up when you log into Linux, but if anyone wants to run the latest version of Boinc and doesn't mind starting it manually each time, let me know and I will give you a simple install method.


Gary.

[UBT - The Prof....]

Having played with it for a bit i have got it to go, though not sure how....

Not been able to get any work from ABC but did get an Einstein wu which is currently running,

All i have to do now is get Majestic to work...... ..

[Rockinfroggi]

Having played with it for a bit i have got it to go, though not sure how....

Not been able to get any work from ABC but did get an Einstein wu which is currently running,

All i have to do now is get Majestic to work...... ..

Did the directions I gave you in PM not help?

I think you'll find Majestic does not support Linux yet, unless they have sorted something out since I was last in their forum.

Sounds like ABC is down at the moment reading other post but Wep is a Linux only project if you fancy adding to our numbers on that.

Gary.

[Gary]

but if anyone wants to run the latest version of Boinc and doesn't mind starting it manually each time, let me know and I will give you a simple install method.

Gary.

I'm up for a tutorial  :?  how much patience do you have ?

I haven't looked at Linux since trying to find drivers for the graphics card and how to install them.

[Timby]

Hi Gary (Rockin version) i started out with installing the Boinc Manager and Client via the Synaptic Manager, then down load the Client version of choice (be aware not all projects work with the latest client versions) and copy the client file and security bundle to the boinc directory. Simple really, that way the boinc directory should be the same for most installations?

[Gary]

Can Froggi or Timby recommend a firewall & antivirus to go with Linux ? as I'm unprotected at the moment

[UBT - Terry]

Yeah i second that question

 Terry

[James Dorsey]

You don't need anti-virus software in Linux. I'm certainly not aware of any existing. AFAIK, there are NO Linux viruses currently in the wild.

You can install a firewall through apt-get, once you know the name of the firewall software you want. Possibly ubuntu-firewall? I don't bother with firewalls, as all ports are filtered by my router, except the ones I need to be open.

[Gary]

You don't need anti-virus software in Linux. I'm certainly not aware of any existing. AFAIK, there are NO Linux viruses currently in the wild.

Hello James,

Well that explains why A/V & F/wall weren't automatically down loaded, if its not needed no point in having them  

Btw, attached to APS@Home earlier too.

Gary

[UBT - Terry]

Thanks James useful to know.


 Terry

[Timby]

Yeah guys I am with James on this one, I have no AV for the Linux box's and all are behind a GOOD quality router

[Gary]

Yeah guys I am with James on this one, I have no AV for the Linux box's and all are behind a GOOD quality router

you have a firewall or similar built in to the router ?

[Timby]

Hi Gary yes I have an SPI router which is best explained here SPI Router
I use the Netgear ones at two sites with no problems at all.

[Gary]

It seems my BT Home Hub has all the necessary security built in too.

[UBT - Timbo]

Hi all,

OK, clueless newbie here.....!

I have Win XP Pro running on a P4 @ 2.4GHz and booting from a 40Gb Seagate HDD.

I downloaded Wubi, installed it and after rebooting, I get a boot loader menu which asks if I want to boot Win XP Pro or Ubuntu.

I select Ubuntu and after a few messages on screen (reminiscent of booting into MS DOS 3.3, if you remember that !!) , I get:

44.866978 Segmentation fault

And the thing hangs...!

given it's a brand new HDD and that Win XP works fine, any idea's why Ubuntu can't get started....

(I'll do a google in case I can find out anything).

regards

Tim

[UBT - Terry]

Tim mind your language  :lol:

[Rockinfroggi]

Hi all,

OK, clueless newbie here.....!

I have Win XP Pro running on a P4 @ 2.4GHz and booting from a 40Gb Seagate HDD.

I downloaded Wubi, installed it and after rebooting, I get a boot loader menu which asks if I want to boot Win XP Pro or Ubuntu.

I select Ubuntu and after a few messages on screen (reminiscent of booting into MS DOS 3.3, if you remember that !!) , I get:

44.866978 Segmentation fault

And the thing hangs...!

given it's a brand new HDD and that Win XP works fine, any idea's why Ubuntu can't get started....

(I'll do a google in case I can find out anything).

regards

Tim

Let me know if you are still having problems and I'll see what I can find out, though I may need a few days to get my brain back into gear.


Gary.

[UBT - Timbo]

Let me know if you are still having problems and I'll see what I can find out, though I may need a few days to get my brain back into gear.

Gary.

Hi Gary,

Yup - still a problem - Google wasn't much help...So I'm wondering what else might be the problem....?

If it runs XP Pro, surely it must run Ubuntu?

Not sure what I need to check though....?

Take your time over this...the PC is only doing ABC WUs at the mo...I was just hoping to run Ubuntu, coz Linux ABC WUs earn you larger credits than Windows.... !

regards

Tim

[Rockinfroggi]

Let me know if you are still having problems and I'll see what I can find out, though I may need a few days to get my brain back into gear.

Gary.

Hi Gary,

Yup - still a problem - Google wasn't much help...So I'm wondering what else might be the problem....?

If it runs XP Pro, surely it must run Ubuntu?

Not sure what I need to check though....?

Take your time over this...the PC is only doing ABC WUs at the mo...I was just hoping to run Ubuntu, coz Linux ABC WUs earn you larger credits than Windows.... !

regards

Tim

Just a couple of things off the top of my head while I try to figure it out.

Did you de fragment your drive prior to running the Wubi installer? if not it may be worth uninstalling via add/remove defrag then try again.

Another thing you could try is running the live cd version just to see if that runs ok on that PC, if so then the chances are it will be solvable.

Could you let me know what Seagate drive it and whether it's SATA or ATA  and I'll make that my starting point.


Gary.

[Gary]

Hi all,

OK, clueless newbie here.....!

I have Win XP Pro running on a P4 @ 2.4GHz and booting from a 40Gb Seagate HDD.

I downloaded Wubi, installed it and after rebooting, I get a boot loader menu which asks if I want to boot Win XP Pro or Ubuntu.

I select Ubuntu and after a few messages on screen (reminiscent of booting into MS DOS 3.3, if you remember that !!) , I get:

44.866978 Segmentation fault

And the thing hangs...!

given it's a brand new HDD and that Win XP works fine, any idea's why Ubuntu can't get started....

(I'll do a google in case I can find out anything).

regards

Tim

Is you hd compressed ?

Apparently a segmentation fault is a kernel error due to hardware incompatibility, might be worth trying re-downloading wubi .

[Rockinfroggi]

Is you hd compressed ?

Apparently a segmentation fault is a kernel error due to hardware incompatibility, might be worth trying re-downloading wubi .

Segmentation faults are not just hardware specific though as this is a fresh install it is the most likely cause.

Tim, is there anyway you could let me know the last couple of test lines that scroll up prior to the fault.?


Gary.

[UBT - Timbo]

Just a couple of things off the top of my head while I try to figure it out.

Did you de fragment your drive prior to running the Wubi installer? if not it may be worth uninstalling via add/remove defrag then try again.

Another thing you could try is running the live cd version just to see if that runs ok on that PC, if so then the chances are it will be solvable.

Could you let me know what Seagate drive it and whether it's SATA or ATA  and I'll make that my starting point.

Gary.

Hi Gary.

OK - it was a brand new 40Gb Seagate ST3402111A ATA hard drive. It previously had nothing on it....

Then Win XP was put on it 3 days before hand.

One assumes that even though Windows is lazy regarding it's file system, that there should have been enough contiguous space for Linux to sort out a partition for itself...IIRC, the Wubi recognised a 15Gb "section" of the HDD and installed itself into that free space.

I tried installing Ubuntu on their before I put on Win XP....but the installer didn't want to work and came back with a CRC error...implying the ISO burnt onto the CD wasn't good....and besides, the Ubuntu screen is AWFUl...all black and horrible,unreadable brown text....!

So, I gave up and installed Win XP (because I couldn't be bothered which OS I put on their, as long as I could get some ABC's crunched....and time is/was of the essence...)

regards,

Tim

(More in the next thread)

[UBT - Timbo]

Segmentation faults are not just hardware specific though as this is a fresh install it is the most likely cause.

Tim, is there anyway you could let me know the last couple of test lines that scroll up prior to the fault.?

Gary.

Hi Gary

OK, here's a couple:

[46.385528] Code:   (then loads of pairs of hexadecimal codes)

[46.388305] EIP: [ <eo863635> ] sis_unit_one6+0x75/0x3c0 [pata_sis] SS: ESP0068 dfe13e0c

So, it might be an issue with the IDE controller or how it is accessing the HDD.....

And yes it's a SIS 645 chipset Pentium 4 mobo.

Does that help?

regards,

Tim

[Rockinfroggi]

OK, still very brain dead here at the moment but it might be worth me looking at your boot menu.

assuming you installed on C:\ go to C:\wubi\boot\grub and you should find a file menu.ist.

Open in notepad and either post the contents here or if it's a bit large e-mail me a copy.


Gary.

[UBT - Timbo]

OK, still very brain dead here at the moment but it might be worth me looking at your boot menu.

assuming you installed on C:\ go to C:\wubi\boot\grub and you should find a file menu.ist.

Open in notepad and either post the contents here or if it's a bit large e-mail me a copy.

Gary.

Hi Gary,

OK, here goes:

# menu.lst - See: grub(8 ), info grub, update-grub(8 )
#            grub-install(8 ), grub-floppy(8 ),
#            grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub
#            and /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/.

## default num
# Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and
# the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used.
#
# You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry
# is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'.
# WARNING: If you are using dmraid do not change this entry to 'saved' or your
# array will desync and will not let you boot your system.
default 0

## timeout sec
# Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the default entry
# (normally the first entry defined).
timeout 1

## hiddenmenu
# Hides the menu by default (press ESC to see the menu)
hiddenmenu

# Pretty colours
#color cyan/blue white/blue

## password ['--md5'] passwd
# If used in the first section of a menu file, disable all interactive editing
# control (menu entry editor and command-line)  and entries protected by the
# command 'lock'
# e.g. password topsecret
#      password --md5 $1$gLhU0/$aW78kHK1QfV3P2b2znUoe/
# password topsecret

#
# examples
#
# title Windows 95/98/NT/2000
# root (hd0,0)
# makeactive
# chainloader +1
#
# title Linux
# root (hd0,1)
# kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro
#

#
# Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST

### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified
## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below

## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs

## ## Start Default Options ##
## default kernel options
## default kernel options for automagic boot options
## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z
## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted.
## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
##      kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro
##      kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro
# kopt=find=/wubi/boot/linux ro

## Setup crashdump menu entries
## e.g. crashdump=1
# crashdump=0

## default grub root device
## e.g. groot=(hd0,0)
# groot=find --set-root --ignore-floppies /wubi/boot/linux

## should update-grub create alternative automagic boot options
## e.g. alternative=true
##      alternative=false
# alternative=true

## should update-grub lock alternative automagic boot options
## e.g. lockalternative=true
##      lockalternative=false
# lockalternative=false

## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the
## alternatives
## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5
# defoptions=quiet splash

## should update-grub lock old automagic boot options
## e.g. lockold=false
##      lockold=true
# lockold=false

## Xen hypervisor options to use with the default Xen boot option
# xenhopt=

## Xen Linux kernel options to use with the default Xen boot option
# xenkopt=console=tty0

## altoption boot targets option
## multiple altoptions lines are allowed
## e.g. altoptions=(extra menu suffix) extra boot options
##      altoptions=(recovery) single
# altoptions=(recovery mode) single

## controls how many kernels should be put into the menu.lst
## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not the
## alternative kernel options
## e.g. howmany=all
##      howmany=7
# howmany=all

## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option
## e.g. memtest86=true
##      memtest86=false
# memtest86=true

## should update-grub adjust the value of the default booted system
## can be true or false
# updatedefaultentry=false

## ## End Default Options ##

title Ubuntu
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /wubi/boot/linux
kernel /wubi/boot/linux find=/wubi/boot/linux quiet ro
initrd /wubi/boot/initrd
boot

### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST

# This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian
# ones.

title Ubuntu (Original Kernel)
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /wubi/boot/linux
kernel /wubi/boot/linux find=/wubi/boot/linux setup_iso=ubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso quiet splash ro
initrd /wubi/boot/initrd
boot

regards,

Tim

[Rockinfroggi]

Hi Tim,

glad you managed to find the file as amoeba brain here managed to slip in a typo.

Either move or rename the existing menu.lst to something like menuthisisnotthemenuiwanttousesodont'tuseit.lst or something shorter like menuold.lst

then make a new file menu.lst and copy and paste the following:

default 0
timeout 10

## ## End Default Options ##

title Ubuntu
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /wubi/boot/linux
kernel /wubi/boot/linux find=/wubi/boot/linux ro noapic nolapic
initrd /wubi/boot/initrd
boot

### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST

# This is a divider, added to separate the menu items below from the Debian
# ones.

title Ubuntu (Original Kernel)
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /wubi/boot/linux
kernel /wubi/boot/linux find=/wubi/boot/linux noapic nolapic ro
initrd /wubi/boot/initrd

This will remove the usual splash screen and you should see it run through all the tests.
If it still doesn't bring you to the username screen it will hopefully highlight where it is failing.


Gary.

[Naon]

I have given it a while till i installed it. It downloaded fine and its now installed. I want to get another machine to run linux, i take it that i have to install BOINC in Linux and all the other project applications to swop over to linux.

P.S. I canot get audio files to play on linux, do i have to spend time swiching it on.

P.P.S. You don't have to tell me, just a hint will do, will i learn quicker if you don't.

[Timby]

I have given it a while till i installed it. It downloaded fine and its now installed. I want to get another machine to run linux, i take it that i have to install BOINC in Linux and all the other project applications to swop over to linux.

P.S. I canot get audio files to play on linux, do i have to spend time swiching it on.

P.P.S. You don't have to tell me, just a hint will do, will i learn quicker if you don't.

OK Yes
Yes and (hint) Synaptic Manager

[UBT - Terry]

Hi any and all would some happen to have a cd with the Ubuntu 7.04 i386 they could send me PLEASE
I,ve been having connection problems and for a while ive got really slow down load speeds, there for i keep loosing my D/Lfrom the mirror, if someone would be so kind... Thank you.
PM me please and i'll give you my Addy...


   Terry

[Timby]

Hi Terry, no problem at all, you have a PM

[UBT - Terry]

Thanks Mark PM'd ya back.

 Terry

[UBT - Timbo]

Hi Tim,

glad you managed to find the file as amoeba brain here managed to slip in a typo.

Either move or rename the existing menu.lst to something like menuthisisnotthemenuiwanttousesodont'tuseit.lst or something shorter like menuold.lst

then make a new file menu.lst and copy and paste the following:
<snip>

This will remove the usual splash screen and you should see it run through all the tests.
If it still doesn't bring you to the username screen it will hopefully highlight where it is failing.

Gary.

Hi Gary,

OK, tried your sugestion.

Now when booting Ubuntu, I get to the point where it asks me to press "ESC" (with a countdown in seconds). So I hit ESC and I get two options:

Ubuntu
Ubuntu (Original Kernel)

In BOTH cases, when selected, I still get a segmentation fault at the SAME place as before....

So, two steps forwards and three steps backwards !

Think I know when I'm beaten...!

regards,

Tim

[Naon]

I do like this ubuntu i have got to grasps with it yesterday but i still can not get Boinc to even install. I have gone to Boinc and downloaded the right version :-= boinc…8.16_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh.


But .......

Could not open the file /home/naon/Desktop/boinc…8.16_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh.

gedit has not been able to detect the character coding.
Please check that you are not trying to open a binary file.
Select a character coding from the menu and try again. (I have tried both encoding options)

For some reason when i read gedit, i think of a wiget.  

Tell me what a gedit is and i will tell you what a wiget is.

[Gary]

I do like this ubuntu i have got to grasps with it yesterday but i still can not get Boinc to even install. I have gone to Boinc and downloaded the right version :-= boinc…8.16_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh.


But .......

Could not open the file /home/naon/Desktop/boinc…8.16_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh.

gedit has not been able to detect the character coding.
Please check that you are not trying to open a binary file.
Select a character coding from the menu and try again. (I have tried both encoding options)

For some reason when i read gedit, i think of a wiget.  

Tell me what a gedit is and i will tell you what a wiget is.

I used the add/remove programs, typed in Boinc - downloaded, installed automatically, only thing its not the latest version

[Gary]

Now when booting Ubuntu, I get to the point where it asks me to press "ESC" (with a countdown in seconds). So I hit ESC and I get two options:

Ubuntu
Ubuntu (Original Kernel)

In BOTH cases, when selected, I still get a segmentation fault at the SAME place as before....

So, two steps forwards and three steps backwards !

Think I know when I'm beaten...!

regards,

Tim

Hi Tim,

I have to do exactly the same, press esc then select one of the options press "e" to edit the command and change the last word from "splash" to "noapic" not saying you have to do the same, but you might need to change something.

Not much help I know  

Other non Linux Gary

[Temujin]

I do like this ubuntu i have got to grasps with it yesterday but i still can not get Boinc to even install. I have gone to Boinc and downloaded the right version :-= boinc…8.16_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh.


But .......

Could not open the file /home/naon/Desktop/boinc…8.16_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh.

gedit has not been able to detect the character coding.
Please check that you are not trying to open a binary file.
Select a character coding from the menu and try again. (I have tried both encoding options)

For some reason when i read gedit, i think of a wiget.  

Tell me what a gedit is and i will tell you what a wiget is.

Hi naon

boinc…8.16_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh is a shell archive file, sort of like a zip file.

You will need to move it into a directory where you want to install boinc, ie /home
Then you type sh  ./boinc…8.16_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh and it will install the boinc files etc into a subdirectory called BOINC, so you will end up with /home/BOINC

give that a go