Pentathlon 2021 Challenge

This section is where you can post topics related to Challenges from other websites, such as Formula-BOINC, SETI-Germany and BOINCstats, as well as project challenges such as from WCG, PrimeGrid et al.

As a Team, we really want to engage as many team members with these challenges, as this gives us a great way of attracting more members to our Team...plus we get to show our strengths as a Team by (hopefully) doing well in each one.

PS: I have moved lots of topics into this section where they are relevant...as you can see, we've always been happy to take part in Challenges...and long may that continue ;-)
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adrianxw wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 4:01 pm I don't have primegrid on my systems. I guess I don't know why I would want to find really large prime numbers, what benefit is there. I may well be wrong and there are valid reasons for doing that, but if so, nobody has tried to correct my apparent ignorance.
Hi Adrian

No worries - it was just an idea.

As far as PrimeGrid goes, as a maths based project, find Prime numbers is quite beneficial to the cryptography industry and being able to encrypt devices and communications systems is always going to be an important factor to ensure security systems remain "secure", especially as CPUs are getting ever more powerful, which means cracking passwords (and hacking systems) has been getting easier.

So secure systems need to improve and become more unhackable and finding Prime Numbers is a part of that.

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RE EINSTEIN

The server supply appears to be coping better than earlier, although a trifle volatile.

I had a couple of white-outs, no tasks running - so I now have 1 day stored and 1 day additional stored to iron out the dips in supply.

As I run only a single instance of "BOINC" on my PCs, this also drags in an extra supply of PG tasks. However if running LLR2 tasks that do not require full wingman validation tasks, it works out well as all tasks will be valid (excepting any errors of course). I am running PPS Sieve and MEGA.
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UBT - Timbo wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 3:30 am The PrimeGrid (City Run) ends on 12th and the Einstein (Cross Country) ends on 15th. Both feature GPU tasks...so, the Sprint could be a GPU project starting on the 16th...or not?

I doubt the Sprint would be a CPU-based project as SiDock and WCG are both CPU based... ;-) And having potentially 3 CPU events running concurrently?

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Hi all

So, what do *I* know?

The final project has now been announced:

Sprint: NFS - 3 days
Start: 15 May 2020 00:01 UTC
End: 17 May 2020 23:59 UTC

and YES, it uses CPU's... :-(

So, the last few days will be:

SiDock, running continuously until the 18th at midnight
WCG, running all day on the 14th, plus one other day (TBA)
NFS running from 15th-17th inclusive

GPU's now running only on Einstein until 15th at midnight

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The nfs project for the final pentathlon stage is a little choosy when issuing work. It prefers to send jobs to accounts that have been running the project rather than accounts that just start up. If you want plenty, you probably want to start crunching them early. I have crunched it earlier, and re-enabled it yesterday evening, but I'm not being flooded with work units.
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HI
The 4th Javelin throw is already beating the previous third best score, and there's another throw to come.

Therefore it might be better to bunker up on NFS, which will also speed up flow rate of tasks, as Adrian has noted above.

I have also increased ncpus to improve allocation of NFS tasks ( and it helps considerably)
However after loading a bunkerful, amend the <ncpus>100</ncpus> back to the correct amount of cores for the PC. If not BOINC tries to run too many tasks, and will overload cpus, or run out of memory.

<cc_config>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
<allow_multiple_clients>1</allow_multiple_clients>
<report_results_immediately>1</report_results_immediately>
<allow_remote_gui_rpc>1</allow_remote_gui_rpc>
<max_file_xfers_per_project>20</max_file_xfers_per_project>
<max_file_xfers>20</max_file_xfers>

<ncpus>100</ncpus>
</options>
</cc_config>
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homefarm wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 11:32 am HI
The 4th Javelin throw is already beating the previous third best score, and there's another throw to come.
Hi Richard

Some of that might be due to the WCG bunker I dropped just after 1am this morning... ;-)
homefarm wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 11:32 am Therefore it might be better to bunker up on NFS, which will also speed up flow rate of tasks, as Adrian has noted above.

I have also increased ncpus to improve allocation of NFS tasks ( and it helps considerably)
However after loading a bunkerful, amend the <ncpus>100</ncpus> back to the correct amount of cores for the PC. If not BOINC tries to run too many tasks, and will overload cpus, or run out of memory.

<cc_config>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
<allow_multiple_clients>1</allow_multiple_clients>
<report_results_immediately>1</report_results_immediately>
<allow_remote_gui_rpc>1</allow_remote_gui_rpc>
<max_file_xfers_per_project>20</max_file_xfers_per_project>
<max_file_xfers>20</max_file_xfers>

<ncpus>100</ncpus>
</options>
</cc_config>

Good tips - I've already started to accrue some NFS tasks, as my WCG caches are crunched and uploaded (as I have enough WCG tasks to get me through today).

So, I can start crunching NFS once all my WCG tasks have completed and I'll then suspend WCG as soon as the NFS event starts...though it'll mean I won't have any NFS tasks in my bunker :-(

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HI Tim,

We ain't gonna win any prizes here, but we will have the satisfaction of improving over last year! Onwards and up wards. :dance:

Oh, and Einstein is humming along on all GPUs, at 3 tasks per GPU.

https://www.seti-germany.de/forum/conte ... ase-begins
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UBT - Timbo wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 2:26 am
So, the last few days will be:

SiDock, running continuously until the 18th at midnight
WCG, running all day on the 14th, plus one other day (TBA)
NFS running from 15th-17th inclusive

GPU's now running only on Einstein until 15th at midnight
Hi all

The 5th and final date for the WCG event has now been announced:

Javelin Throw: WCG - Microbiome Immunity Project - 1 day
#5 Start: 18 May 2020 00:01 UTC
End: 18 May 2020 23:59 UTC

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I just checked my Einstein results, I have over 150 work units "waiting for validation" - I don't know if these get accepted by the pentathlon.
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adrianxw wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 3:05 pm I just checked my Einstein results, I have over 150 work units "waiting for validation" - I don't know if these get accepted by the pentathlon.
Hi Adrian

Sadly, if they had not been credited within the event window, then they will not count towards the final team credit total for the Penthlon :-( (though they will count towards your own overall personal total and the overall team total).

It is a shame, but when popular projects are chosen for Sprints, some people are not aware of Challenges and hence they might not have any regard for completing tasks quickly.

And if the project specifies a long deadline, then the situation gets worse, as many tasks can be queued in peoples caches and are not crunched until near the deadline, which doesn't help people like yourself, who are waiting for their wingmen to upload their tasks and both then get credit.

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Hi

I think with NFS falling over there's no point in continuing with the Pentathlon. I managed to get a load of Einsteins uploaded but many were pending at close of play.

I'm not a fan of SiDock, so it's only Javelin on Tuesday.

Oh well we tried, but everybody must be frustrated with the failure rate of projects. They are not staffed nor made to stand up to the level of punishment handed out to them in challenges. They are often small voluntary spare time "jobs", so we can't moan about things too much, I'm sure most do their best efforts. Without them all we wouldn't have any projects!!

I'm taking a break from BOINC for a while, so....

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Hi Richard

I've just got a cache of WCG tasks plus a few remaining Collatz and PG GPU tasks left over, all with deadlines of 18th or later...so I'm going offline and will then upload my bunkers sometime early on Tuseday, so potentially we'll get a boost from that...

Shame about NFS...one hopes that they don't have a big issue/fault and they can be back sometime soon.

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The nfs@home site is unobtainable at the moment, I've not been able to get a reply to my request for info from them. Perhaps the pentathlon broke it!!! I've got a few MicroBiome units bunkered for the closing act. I hope I've adjusted my team setting for wcg, I just went to check and can't find the setting!

>>> I'm not a fan of SiDock

Why is that? For me, it has been trouble free, perhaps I am missing something.
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adrianxw wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 4:29 pm The nfs@home site is unobtainable at the moment, I've not been able to get a reply to my request for info from them. Perhaps the pentathlon broke it!!! I've got a few MicroBiome units bunkered for the closing act. I hope I've adjusted my team setting for wcg, I just went to check and can't find the setting!
Hi Adrian

You don't appear to be a member of UBT on WCG project, according to this:

https://classic.boincstats.com/en/stats ... /14/0/6429

Or in this listing:

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team ... 9TGC4G1RP1

but clicking on the above should enable you to join UBT.

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>>> You don't appear....

I thought I had managed to change from my team to yours for the pentathlon. I have just gone through the hoops again. I, again, think I have done it.

adrianxw 05/16/2021 -:---:--:--:-- 0 0

Off topic: NFS seems to be live again, I've just uploaded a dozen units without hassle.
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NFS is off the air again. Unable to upload completed work. I think it may have been a questionable choice of project for the pentathlon based on its performance in the last few days.
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So, all over. Not a great result, but hey. I've not done this before. Before doing it again, I need to write a BOINC Manager manager. A program to switch projects around at midnight so I don't need to sneak out of the bedroom without waking my girl. I've set my projects back to my own team now, glad to have helped.
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Thanks for your help Adrian, good to have you aboard even temporarily.

Boinc Tasks has rules where you can set a host/project to stop/start at any particular time. Might be worth a look?

Or set up multiple Boinc instances to run at different times?
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adrianxw wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 8:36 am So, all over. Not a great result, but hey. I've not done this before. Before doing it again, I need to write a BOINC Manager manager.
Hi Adrian

Many thanks for your assistance and forum comments, even if, in the end, we didn't exactly do as well on this Challenge as we have on others. :-(
adrianxw wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 8:36 am A program to switch projects around at midnight so I don't need to sneak out of the bedroom without waking my girl. I've set my projects back to my own team now, glad to have helped.
One thing you can try, if you have a large screen mobile or a tablet - download the AnyDesk app and install AnyDesk on your PC's. It's a remote control access program, that is free for personal use.

https://anydesk.com/en

That way you can access your PCs remotely, and you can tweak BOINC Manager, without getting out of bed.

Just be careful of the timezone you are in...I used this program on Monday night, to "switch network access" back on, for my 2 hosts, so I could upload my bunker of WCG tasks...'cept I did it an hour too early, and a load of tasks were validated BEFORE midnight UTC :oops:

Good luck on your team. And feel free to pop in and say "hello" when you have some spare time and you can see how we're doing?

regards and stay safe
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Hi all

The Pentathlon is now over for another year and, sadly, UBT didn't quite cut the mustard this time around...

Stats wise we finished:

Marathon (SiDock) - started in 23rd place and ended in 21st place - contribution: 619,312 credits

Javelin Thrown (WCG) - started in 24th and ended in 20th - contribution: 1,790,130 credits

City Run (PrimeGrid) - started in 14th and ended in 16th - contribution: 97,306,897 credits

Cross Country (Einstein) - started in 19th and finished in 15th - contribution: 34,808,575 credits

Sprint (NFS) = started in 19th and ended in 22nd - contribution: 483,232 credits

Overall: Started in 23rd place and ended in 22nd place.

So, big thank you to all who contributed to the teams efforts, including Richard, Mark, Mikee, Chris C and our "on loan" member Adrian ;-).

I would like to think we could do better next year.....but I've said this in previous years about the Pentathlon, and, it seems that we are just not able to compete significantly, on this Challenge... :-(

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I am feeling the need for a BOINC Manager manager. Something that will adjust settings at certain times. Rules are not really the answer though. I can add a rule "somewhere" that says "at midnight, stop running A and start running B". What I want is "at midnight, look at A, if I suspend it, will it have enough time left to complete when I restart it, if so, suspend it and start B". Similar questions concerning work already downloaded for A, and, "do I have any work from B that I could start". There are numerous simple questions that you would not think twice about, but to automate the action, they have to be considered.

Is the format of the pentathlon always the same? A 2 week marathon and four "events" of various lengths, start and end points etc. I should possibly ask Seti.Germany, but I expect they will not want to be constrained in future events, preferring to keep things as flexible as possibe, that is what I would want.

My team, (BOINC@Denmark), is really in a state of limbo now. We had a website, with a forum, and several general and personalised stats pages which I wrote the software for, but the guy who hosted the site, a fellow member of the team, one day, disappeared off the planet taking everything with him. Without the forum, participating in events like this would be impossible to manage.
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adrianxw wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 12:03 pm I am feeling the need for a BOINC Manager manager. Something that will adjust settings at certain times. Rules are not really the answer though. I can add a rule "somewhere" that says "at midnight, stop running A and start running B". What I want is "at midnight, look at A, if I suspend it, will it have enough time left to complete when I restart it, if so, suspend it and start B". Similar questions concerning work already downloaded for A, and, "do I have any work from B that I could start". There are numerous simple questions that you would not think twice about, but to automate the action, they have to be considered.
HI Adrian

I totally agree with you that BOINC Manager should be more customisable...BUT, although the source code is now available (so you could create your own version) I very much doubt that the current developers will do anything along the lines you are thinking.

For instance, I've "spoken" to a dev on Discord about wanting an "congfig editor" built into BM, so that specific project tweaks can be edited "on the fly"...but although it was noted, he didn't promise anything.

https://discord.gg/je9fQjSZ
adrianxw wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 12:03 pm Is the format of the pentathlon always the same? A 2 week marathon and four "events" of various lengths, start and end points etc. I should possibly ask Seti.Germany, but I expect they will not want to be constrained in future events, preferring to keep things as flexible as possibe, that is what I would want.
Yup, the Pentathlon follows the same format - a 5 day event held on non-consecutive days and then 4 multi-day events.
adrianxw wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 12:03 pm My team, (BOINC@Denmark), is really in a state of limbo now. We had a website, with a forum, and several general and personalised stats pages which I wrote the software for, but the guy who hosted the site, a fellow member of the team, one day, disappeared off the planet taking everything with him. Without the forum, participating in events like this would be impossible to manage.
You could always start up a new forum - either buy a domain name and download forum software (like phpBB), to install onto it or maybe start one on Facebook, or Discord...then you need someone who is an admin on one (or more) of the projects and get them to message everyone (on the project) to join up.

It won't be difficult to do.

And if you can write stats pages, I might have a job for you !! (Seriously, as one of our team also created such pages and then did a moonlight flit - the stats pages worked for a good few years and then more recently, the stats website vanished).

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I was not thinking about modifying BOINC Manager itself. I was thinking of a standalone program which could be set up with the pentathlon particulars before the event started, and could interact with BOINC Manager to achieve the desired effects. (I was a professional software engineer for almost 40 years before I HAD to retire). I remember BOINC being particularly well endowed with external interfaces.

>>> a 5 day event held on non-consecutive days and then 4 multi-day events

Err, a little confused now, that is not how it worked this year. The "marathon" event was from the start to the end, ie. 14 days...

If you look at our old page, boincdenmark.dk, you will find a travel site for visitors to Holland.

Don't get excited. I had to retire from software engineering in 2008 when I had a heart attack and died for 46 minutes. All stuff I do now takes me a long time, I can usually prevail though.
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adrianxw wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 1:26 pm I was not thinking about modifying BOINC Manager itself. I was thinking of a standalone program which could be set up with the pentathlon particulars before the event started, and could interact with BOINC Manager to achieve the desired effects. (I was a professional software engineer for almost 40 years before I HAD to retire). I remember BOINC being particularly well endowed with external interfaces.time, I can usually prevail though.
Hi Adrian

No worries...

However, I'm unaware of any external interfaces that work with BOINC Manager directly, so that you can control what BOINC (the separate program) does.

BOINC Tasks (as Mark mentioned) comes close, but this is a BOINC Manager substitute and it is based on the BOINC open source code (I believe).

Source Code:
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc

and

BOINC Tasks:
https://efmer.com/boinctasks/
adrianxw wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 1:26 pm >>> a 5 day event held on non-consecutive days and then 4 multi-day events

Err, a little confused now, that is not how it worked this year. The "marathon" event was from the start to the end, ie. 14 days...
The events were:
Marathon - held over 14 consecutive days
City Run - held over 5 consecutive days
Cross Country - held over 5 consecutive days
Sprint - held over 3 consecutive days
(that's 4 multi-day events)

and:
Javelin (featuring WCG) took place over 5 different non-consecutive days within the 14 day "window".

So, it did take place as I described - you have assumed that my mention of a "5 day event" related to the Marathon (which it didn't).
adrianxw wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 1:26 pm If you look at our old page, boincdenmark.dk, you will find a travel site for visitors to Holland.

Don't get excited. I had to retire from software engineering in 2008 when I had a heart attack and died for 46 minutes. All stuff I do now takes me a long time, I can usually prevail though.
If the original registered owner of boincdenmark.dk did not renew it, then the domain name is then up for grabs and marketing firms grab it, for their own advertising purposes...and that's what has happened to it.

We had the same problem with ukboincteam.com (which was registered by another, now inactive, member). And when he didn't renew the domain name, it was bought/taken over by a US seller of domain names...and they wanted something like $15,000 for it. :shock:

As the "owner" of both ukboincteam.org.uk and ukboincteam.co.uk, I emailed them and asked if they would reassign it to me, as the domain name is so specific, it cannot be used by anyone else. They agreed and transferred it to me for FREE.

So, maybe if you register "boincdenmark.COM" (which is available) you can ask the current rights holder of the ".DK" version if they will reassign it to you? Or maybe just use the boincdenmark.com domain as it's quite a nice domain name to have. :-D

You could even register boinc-denmark.dk (with the extra hyphen)... 8)

re: stats
Fair enough - I just mentioned it in case you fancied doing something positive/helpful to wile away the time ;-)

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You own the domain names, do you host the website? The stats pages I made for our pages used data from a small database on the server machine which was owned and operated by our former member. The program which kept that database up to date was a C++ program which collected and processed the raw stats files from project servers. The actual page html was written with data from that database, if I remember correctly, I wrote that in Perl, I don't remember why exactly, it was probably as a learning exercise for the language. Clearly, such a set up requires all the components to be running on the server machine, or, at least, the local network, if there are unpredictable delays due to net weather etc. calling up the page could be set with pregnant pauses which would render it useless.

...Hampshire have taken two wickets in the first three overs. Reasonable start...

... now 4 wickets in six overs...

... 17 for 5 now...
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adrianxw wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 11:42 am You own the domain names, do you host the website?
Hi Adrian

I personally own the UBT domain names (.co.uk, .org.uk and .com) and then I also do the hosting via my own company, which use a dedicated server at a "server farm" owned by an ISP. So, yes I own and host all the UBT websites.
adrianxw wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 11:42 amThe stats pages I made for our pages used data from a small database on the server machine which was owned and operated by our former member. The program which kept that database up to date was a C++ program which collected and processed the raw stats files from project servers. The actual page html was written with data from that database, if I remember correctly, I wrote that in Perl, I don't remember why exactly, it was probably as a learning exercise for the language. Clearly, such a set up requires all the components to be running on the server machine, or, at least, the local network, if there are unpredictable delays due to net weather etc. calling up the page could be set with pregnant pauses which would render it useless.
The ubtstats.co.uk website was created in php, I believe, by our member Temujin, who worked in IT and was for a long time our teams "crunch leader". It was not hosted by me, but by Temujin who had sole control of it.

I did not have access to the "back office" workings of this, but I do recall, that his code would "trawl" each of our teams project page and then "capture" the team credits total and individual members credit totals, on an HOURLY basis. This was then fed into a database and the stats pages were then displayed from this.

We could display tables of stats by project or overall total stats. Various functions could then be done, such as sorting on any column (user position,user name, todays credits, yesterdays, last weeks, etc).

Not only that, but it also did the same for 3 other UK teams, namely TSBT, BOINC UK and Team England. So we could keep an eye on the competition !!

It was very useful and included a number of "open source" code (that was duly acknowleged on the website).

Column sorting by:
Standardista Table Sorting - http://www.workingwith.me.uk/articles/s ... le_sorting

Javascript popup by:
overLIB - http://www.bosrup.com/web/overlib/

Floating Menu by:
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Graph Icon by:
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adrianxw wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 11:42 am...Hampshire have taken two wickets in the first three overs. Reasonable start...

... now 4 wickets in six overs...

... 17 for 5 now...
aha -a cricket fan !! Your secret is safe with us ;-)

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Re: Pentathlon 2021 Challenge

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Okay Tim, I had a look, it is a bleak view for me, but, I have been presented with similar mountains, and have suceeded in the past. I will start working with PHP, which I've never used before, and see how I get on. DO NOT ASSUME I WILL GET ANYWHERE!!!!!!! I have in the past however. I was a professional software engineer qualified to work on safety critical systems, but my brain was really trashed by my "death". This does, at least, give me a purpose or direction.

The Hampshire Leicestershire game fizzled out. To much rain. Leicester avoided the follow on by one run. Hampshire gave up their second innings and put them back in, but there was no time.
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Re: Pentathlon 2021 Challenge

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adrianxw wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 12:03 pm I am feeling the need for a BOINC Manager manager. Something that will adjust settings at certain times. Rules are not really the answer though. I can add a rule "somewhere" that says "at midnight, stop running A and start running B". What I want is "at midnight, look at A, if I suspend it, will it have enough time left to complete when I restart it, if so, suspend it and start B". Similar questions concerning work already downloaded for A, and, "do I have any work from B that I could start". There are numerous simple questions that you would not think twice about, but to automate the action, they have to be considered.
Why do it through boinc-manager? Boinc-client has an extensive API though it would be a very steep learning curve, that's all that boinc-manager and boinctui uses.
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Re: Pentathlon 2021 Challenge

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I know, and it is probably where I would start.
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