PrimeGrid's 2019 Challenge Series Oktoberfest Challenge

This section is where you can post topics related to Challenges from other websites, such as Formula-BOINC, SETI-Germany and BOINCstats, as well as project challenges such as from WCG, PrimeGrid et al.

As a Team, we really want to engage as many team members with these challenges, as this gives us a great way of attracting more members to our Team...plus we get to show our strengths as a Team by (hopefully) doing well in each one.

PS: I have moved lots of topics into this section where they are relevant...as you can see, we've always been happy to take part in Challenges...and long may that continue ;-)
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Woodles wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:54 pm It's nice to have two satisfying sprints in a row, hopefully the Formula Boinc one being announced tomorrow will also be enjoyable.
But ... my rigs are going to melt!

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Damien Healy wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:04 pm
Woodles wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:54 pm It's nice to have two satisfying sprints in a row, hopefully the Formula Boinc one being announced tomorrow will also be enjoyable.
But ... my rigs are going to melt!
They'll be fine, the weather's turning cooler :lol:
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Hi all

FYI: I've not given up on the PG Challenge...but I have disallowed network access until tonights Sprint* is announced as I've been bunkering some CPU projects as PG wasn't giving me many.

Once the announcement is made and depending on which project is chosen, then I may re-allow network access...it just depends on whether PG needs my credits more than the FB Sprint project does ;-)

*The Sprint starts at 10pm BST tomorrow, while the PG Challenge ends at 12 noon BST...and I can't selectively upgrade some tasks and not others :-(

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Any wise (or wild) guesses on the Formula sprint target? Depending how we're tracking on PG, I could possibly re-point and bunker from tomorrow AM ...
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UBT - Timbo wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:06 pm*The Sprint starts at 10pm BST tomorrow, while the PG Challenge ends at 12 noon BST...and I can't selectively upgrade some tasks and not others :-(
viewtopic.php?f=93&t=6400
Block the Formula Boinc project, turn network access back on, PrimeGrid will update.
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Damien Healy wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:23 pm Any wise (or wild) guesses on the Formula sprint target? Depending how we're tracking on PG, I could possibly re-point and bunker from tomorrow AM ...
There's no way of telling, it's a random number generated by Sebastein that picks a project and then he/project owners manually accept it or not.

Choices left are:
Acoustics@home
Asteroids@home
BURP
Citizen Science Grid
Collatz Conjecture
Cosmology@home
DENIS@Home
DHEP
Enigma@home
LHC@home 1.0
ODLK
ODLK1
Rosetta@home
Universe@Home
VGTU@home
Wanless Mersenne +2
XANSONS for COD
Yafu
Yoyo@home

It won't be Acoustics, DENIS, DHEP, VGTU or Xansons as they're dead projects.
It won't be BURP as it has no work.
It won't be Citizen Science as they only export stats every couple of days or so.
It shouldn't be LHC as that's almost only virtual box and people would complain (although it did get chosen last year ... and people DID complain :) )
It shouldn't be Wanless as that's only Linux and people would complain.
Most of the others were used last year so could be chosen.

So:
Asteroids@home
Collatz Conjecture
Cosmology@home
Enigma@home
ODLK
ODLK1
Rosetta@home
Universe@Home
Yafu
Yoyo@home

Statistically it should be a CPU project as there's only Collatz left as pure GPU.

As I haven't been bunkering anything yet and I'm only going to be able to start once I get home tonight, I'm planning on leaving my GPUs on PrimeGrid and just bunkering CPU tasks once I know what it is (no speculative bunkers)

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Thanks Mark, helpful!
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At least you'll have more chance of picking the right project than you have of winning the lottery ... less rewarding though.
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Woodles wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:28 pm
Asteroids@home
Collatz Conjecture
Cosmology@home
Enigma@home
ODLK
ODLK1
Rosetta@home
Universe@Home
Yafu
Yoyo@home

Statistically it should be a CPU project as there's only Collatz left as pure GPU.
Hi Mark

Actually, Asteroids supports GPUs very nicely - and uses just 0.01 of a CPU per task, so you can run 100% of your CPUs and run Asteroids too.

In fact, Asteroids is the GPU project I'm bunkering and have been for the last three Sprints, though two Sprints didn't happen.

The other CPU project I've been bunkering is ODLK1, (aka latinsquares) whicj uses just about 1Mb of RAM for each task...making it very suitable if you use the PC for other (non-BOINC) work.

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Woodles wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:25 pm viewtopic.php?f=93&t=6400
Block the Formula Boinc project, turn network access back on, PrimeGrid will update.
Ah, now that's useful. I can also block the IP at the router / gateway level rather than directly in windows. I can therefore keep hammering PG while bunkering a CPU Formula project. If it does end up being asteroids and that supports GPUs, then that would be trickier.
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If Chris carries on at that rate..
The rate will continue until the end of the Challenge.
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Hi Chris :)

Great! We are really putting on some pace now.
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Hey Mark, Damien,.. Tim, et al

It will be interesting to see if Dutch Power Cows and Rechenkraft.net up their game now; especially Rechenkraft as I'm pretty sure they have the GPU firepower.
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Indeed! We are literally about to take #13 from Rechenkraft. I'm genuinely excited, ha! :)
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chriscambridge wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:17 pm
If Chris carries on at that rate..
The rate will continue until the end of the Challenge.
Good to hear, thanks Chris.
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Damien Healy wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:56 pm Indeed! We are literally about to take #13 from Rechenkraft. I'm genuinely excited, ha! :)
Thirteenth now (couldn't check earlier) :D

... and that Damien chap has shot into the UBT number one position :o :evil: (not sure if there's a connection)
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#11 now, overtaking the Dutch and Australians overnight :D :D

EVGA at #10 looks way to far off. Hoping we can hold #11 though!
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Excellent news :)
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Into the final hour and a half:

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Pos.	Team			Credits		Tasks
 8	Antarctic Crunchers	45,334,159	11,213
 9	AMD Users		43,858,464	10,848
10	Crunching@EVGA		38,117,404	 9,428

11	UK BOINC Team		27,702,636	 6,852

12	Dutch Power Cows	26,728,273	 6,611
13	BOINC@AUSTRALIA		26,380,575	 6,525
14	Rechenkraft.net		26,012,662	 6,434
As noted previously, Rechenkraft passed .... along with Australia AND the Power Cows :D
UBT into a very impressive eleventh place out of 125.
I think EVGA have too much of a lead though for tenth place.

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							APs found during the competition
Pos.	Name			Credits		Tasks	27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20
  35	damienhealy		8,761,181	2,167	                4 16 77
  38	Woodles			8,162,817	2,019	                4 10 33
  53	ncoded.com		5,995,769	1,483	             2  3 13 30
 167	rimmer66		1,358,448	  336	             1        2
 188	meddy2065		1,075,438	  266	             1  2    18 *
 228	UBT - Timbo		  715,611	  177	                1  3  7
 243	Jeffers2112		  610,493	  151	                1  1  6
 275	Paul Griffin		  420,472	  104	                1     8 *
 280	Sean			  396,214	   98	                      1 *
 316	UBT - Mikeejones	  278,967	   69	                      7
 584	duncanr			    8,086	    2	                        *
=625	Jason			    4,043	    1
=625	LupusUK			    4,043	    1
*counted incorrectly before

Damien shoots into top UBT cruncher for the challenge.
Chris becomes top finder with two AP23s.
Jason and Lupus join in to make thirteen UBT members in this challenge.

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Final result barring any later discovered invalid tasks:

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Pos.	Team			Credits		Tasks
 1	Czech National Team	169,324,883	41,881
 2	Sicituradastra.		135,788,198	33,586
 3	TeAm AnandTech		 95,564,391	23,637
 4	SETI.Germany		 95,208,607	23,549
 5	[H]ard|OCP		 88,646,818	21,926
 6	Aggie The Pew		 68,189,238	16,866
 7	Storm			 52,850,096	13,072
 8	Antarctic Crunchers	 46,134,673	11,411
 9	AMD Users		 45,103,708	11,156
10	Crunching@EVGA		 38,756,198	 9,586

11	UK BOINC Team		 28,446,548	 7,036

12	Dutch Power Cows	 27,136,616	 6,712
13	BOINC@AUSTRALIA		 26,679,757	 6,599
14	Rechenkraft.net		 26,550,381	 6,567
The Czechs and Sici were always going to take the top two places.
TAAT pass Germany in the last hour.
EVGA managed to hold on to their slender lead but UBT were closing fast :D

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Pos.	Name			Credits		Tasks
  31	Homefarm		9,978,124	2,468
  35	damienhealy		8,935,030	2,210
  38	Woodles			8,288,150	2,050
  52	ncoded.com		6,270,693	1,551
 168	rimmer66		1,374,620	  340
 190	meddy2065		1,083,524	  268
 230	UBT - Timbo		  715,611	  177
 245	Jeffers2112		  618,579	  153
 277	Paul Griffin		  420,472	  104
 282	Sean			  396,214	   98
 316	UBT - Mikeejones	  278,967	   69
 586	duncanr			    8,086	    2
=629	Jason			    4,043	    1
=629	LupusUK			    4,043	    1
Homefarm comes from nowhere and steals top spot.
Fourteen team members is a good turn out for the challenge, I don't know if all of them were aware they were competing though :)

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I wonder if the stats might change some more.

Homefarm has delivered almost 10m, but then our team total didn’t jump up by that much?

Unless they were in our team total before but not in the user stats? Maybe that makes more sense as there seemed to be more team credits than we were producing on a user stat basis.

In any case, happy with #11. Feeling good about that :)
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In fact, adding up the user stats you posted would put us very very close to EVGA / #10 ...
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I was wondering about Homefarm. They only (re)joined UBT in the last day but had work credited from way back.

Does PrimeGrid have a GDPR policy that they've only just agreed to so they were 'hidden' until now?
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It’s rather curious isn’t it!
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Woodles wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:18 pm Final result barring any later discovered invalid tasks:

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Pos.	Name			Credits		Tasks
  31	Homefarm		9,978,124	2,468
  35	damienhealy		8,935,030	2,210
  38	Woodles			8,288,150	2,050
  52	ncoded.com		6,270,693	1,551
 168	rimmer66		1,374,620	  340
 190	meddy2065		1,083,524	  268
 230	UBT - Timbo		  715,611	  177
 245	Jeffers2112		  618,579	  153
 277	Paul Griffin		  420,472	  104
 282	Sean			  396,214	   98
 316	UBT - Mikeejones	  278,967	   69
 586	duncanr			    8,086	    2
=629	Jason			    4,043	    1
=629	LupusUK			    4,043	    1
Homefarm comes from nowhere and steals top spot.
Fourteen team members is a good turn out for the challenge, I don't know if all of them were aware they were competing though :)

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Hi Mark,

This is very strange...

According to ubtstats website:

1) Homefarm joined UBT on 26th Sept at 12:02 (or at least that's when the stats picked him/her up).

http://www.ubtstats.co.uk/ubt/ubt_membe ... &sz=2&rp=0

2) According to this, they've not "earned" nigh on 10m credits recently...

http://www.ubtstats.co.uk/ubt/UBT.php?c ... =PrimeGrid

In fact they've earned 117,247 recently.

3) The actual individuals totals don't seem to add up to the total team total...

Team total: 28,446,156 (as per PG website: http://www.primegrid.com/challenge/2019 ... teams.html)

Individuals total: 38,375,156 (as per PG website: http://www.primegrid.com/challenge/2019 ... users.html)

In fact, if you add up the 2nd-14th place member totals, (and exclude Homefarm) that comes to 28,398,032 which is much closer to the Team total.

So, I'm wondering what's happening and how/why this "result" can be valid.

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:nono:
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UBT - Timbo wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:17 pmHi Mark,

This is very strange...

According to ubtstats website:

1) Homefarm joined UBT on 26th Sept at 12:02 (or at least that's when the stats picked him/her up).
He (Richard according to his website) wasn't listed on Johns when I tried to check just before the finish but he was listed on the PrimeGrid website so I assume he 'joined' between 11 and noon.
UBT - Timbo wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:17 pm 2) According to this, they've not "earned" nigh on 10m credits recently...
Nope, that's his total that's being counted as all gained today :?
UBT - Timbo wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:17 pm 3) The actual individuals totals don't seem to add up to the total team total...
-snip-
In fact, if you add up the 2nd-14th place member totals, (and exclude Homefarm) that comes to 28,398,032 which is much closer to the Team total.

So, I'm wondering what's happening and how/why this "result" can be valid.
I think what's probably happened is that Homefarm have been crunching for a while but their credits haven't been linked to UBT and now that they are, PG has calculated their contribution as being the total now minus what it was on the 21st without allowing for the fact that they weren't in UBT to then.
As all the other team members have been in UBT for the complete duration then their totals match. If you allow for Homefarm generating 48k credits while they were a member of UBT then it's correct. The difference is exactly 12 tasks.

Individual stats are wrong but the actual team total has been worked out correctly from the returned workunits and not from summing the overall member scores.

I shall edit the final tables to show the correct results :D

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Corrected table due to PrimeGrid not realising Homefarm had only just joined UBT.

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Pos.	Name			Credits		Tasks
  34	damienhealy		8,935,030	2,210
  37	Woodles			8,288,150	2,050
  51	ncoded.com		6,270,693	1,551
 167	rimmer66		1,374,620	  340
 189	meddy2065		1,083,524	  268
 229	UBT - Timbo		  715,611	  177
 244	Jeffers2112		  618,579	  153
 276	Paul Griffin		  420,472	  104
 281	Sean			  396,214	   98
 315	UBT - Mikeejones	  278,967	   69
 458	Homefarm		   48,516	   12
 586	duncanr			    8,086	    2
=629	Jason			    4,043	    1
=629	LupusUK			    4,043	    1
Damien does in fact come out as top UBT cruncher for the competition :)

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chriscambridge wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:02 pm:nono:
I think it's a genuine mistake by PrimeGrid rather than any malicious intent 8)
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Just out of interest, what are everyone's totals for discoveries on PG?

Discoveries Primes (0/1), APs (72/164)

(copied and pasted from)

https://www.primegrid.com/home.php
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Mine is - Discoveries Primes (2/4), APs (67/188)

My first prime discovered entered the top 5,000 at position 1,334 and has since fallen out (it was early 2011!), the second one never even made it to begin with :D

One that I double checked entered the top 5,000 at 2,236 and is still at 2,579 now (early 2019) The others never entered.

I've never found or checked better than an AP22 :(

(If you click on the users name to get to their profile then their primes and APs are accessible there)

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chriscambridge wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:01 pm Just out of interest, what are everyone's totals for discoveries on PG?

Discoveries Primes (0/1), APs (72/164)

(copied and pasted from)

https://www.primegrid.com/home.php
Hi Chris

I'm at:

Discoveries Primes (0/2), APs (19/24)

Highest AP found is an AP23:

92339116458110959+51132587*23#*n for n=0..22 on 2018-02-05 11:24:24 UTC

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Mark, well you have done better than I who hasn't even *found a major Prime yet.

Although its probably because I was running the larger GNFR tasks; your less likely to find one, but if you do you know its going to be a large one and your going to get a good ranking.

Well done finding an AP23 Tim, Mark was just saying he has yet to find one.
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Primes (2/4), APs (67/188) - Mark
Primes (0/2), APs (19/24) - Tim
Primes (0/1), APs (74/164)) - Chris

Seems I'm last, If you take the Primes as the major sort order :cry:

What specific PG task(s) did you run Mark to find those 2? EG GNFR19
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Hi Chris,

According to PrimeGrid they were both found using "Proth Prime Search" as were two that I was the checker for. The other two I checked were from "Generalized Fermat Prime Search" and "Sophie Germain Prime Search"

I'm guessing "Sophie Germain Prime Search" is Sophie Germain (LLR), "Generalized Fermat Prime Search" is one of the Genefer ones (but no idea which one) and "Proth Prime Search" is PPS (LLR) or maybe PPSE (LLR)?

I can't remember myself and that's all the information the site gives, sorry.

I still have 50 tasks pending so I haven't given up hope of an AP23 yet :lol:

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Okay thanks..

Yeah PG is not very good at explaining exactly which Prime got found or rather which task type was ran to find it.
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