SETI Enhanced

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:43 pm

This thread was lost due to the DB Crash so here it is again.

As some users know SETI Enhanced is making its way to SETI, the WU's are longer as they process a lot more information in finer detail.

When this is released to the wild it is also hoped that the server strain will not be as bad seen as though there will not be as many request for work due to the length of these WU's.

So don't be alarmed one day if you wake up and see much bigger WU's in your cache, on my comp they typically last from 20hrs up to 30hrs, and that's with a lot of optimisation in the code already.

For users on a optimised client BOINC will just stop downloading new WU's when Enhanced comes out as it won't recognise them anymore, to get around this you will need to reset the project via BOINC, this will get rid of the optimised app and download Enhanced WU's.

A optimised Enhanced client is been worked on at the moment and it is hoped it is released at around the same time as Enhanced, this will need to be manually installed, much the same as we had to do for the normal app.

SETI@Home Plans

I reckon 2-3 months until it appears on SETI

PS: Looking forward to Astropulse

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:08 pm

5.09 is now available on the Test Site, getting one step nearer

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Wed May 03, 2006 7:18 pm

News Flash

Hi Everybody,

We've finally gottent to the point where we can attempt limited (few thousand per day) distribution of the Enhanced application in the main project! We will probably start in the next couple days.

The job's not entirely done. We still have to figure out the Windows 98 timer problem and watch to make sure there's not a systemic problem with reading JPEG files.

Thanks for all your help, and please stay tuned for AstroPulse.

Eric

and

Sorry for the confusion regarding the release of enhanced. The release of enhanced will happen slowly and in a random fashion so as not to use up too much of our bandwidth at once. It will probably take a month or more for this initial release to get out to all the machines out there.

The enhanced application uses different workunits and generates different results than the standard application. If you run the enhanced client on a workunit built for the standard application (or vice vera) you will get a result that will not validate, and therefore you probably won't get credit.

If you are running with the anonymous platform mechanism you will need to add a separate <app_info> element for the enhanced application.

Work will continue to be distributed fpr the normal SETI@home application, with the ratio of enhanced vs normal work slowly being increased over time until the normal application is phased out.

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Wed May 03, 2006 7:39 pm

So unless you want to prat about editing XML files to accept SETI Enhanced, you will have to ditch the optimised apps you may be using for SETI.

Note: This doesn't apply to anyone using SETI without a optimised app, just those people using optimised app.

Going to remove mine now, saying that we have at least a month or so to go until normal SETI dies

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Wed May 03, 2006 11:01 pm

UBT - Halifax--lad wrote:So unless you want to wally about editing XML files to accept SETI Enhanced, you will have to ditch the optimised apps you may be using for SETI.

Note: This doesn't apply to anyone using SETI without a optimised app, just those people using optimised app.

Going to remove mine now, saying that we have at least a month or so to go until normal SETI dies

Hi David,

Thanks for the info - was wondering if the opti-clients would be able to cope with the Enhanced WU's...now I know they (probably) won't...!

I've updated the section on the website about this.

regards,

Tim

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Wed May 03, 2006 11:05 pm

Any optimised apps to speed up the processing of WU's will not work, when the normal WU's dry up BOINC would just refuse to download any more new work as the optimised app would not recognise the new WU's simply removing the optimised files from the directory will cure that problem.

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:40 pm

Correction easiest way to get rid of the optimised app would be to detach from SETI then re-attach

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Thu May 04, 2006 7:09 pm

Latest news from SETI they have now produced a page called What is SETI@home Enhanced?

UBT - PaulT · Post by **UBT - PaulT** » Fri May 05, 2006 10:01 am

Just downloaded Enhanced

05/05/2006 09:43:28|SETI@home|Started download of libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll
05/05/2006 09:43:31|SETI@home|Throughput 171055 bytes/sec
05/05/2006 09:43:31|SETI@home|Started download of seti512.jpg
05/05/2006 09:43:33|SETI@home|Finished download of seti512.jpg
05/05/2006 09:43:33|SETI@home|Throughput 7947 bytes/sec
05/05/2006 09:43:33|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome_5.12_AUTHORS
05/05/2006 09:43:36|SETI@home|Finished download of setiathome_5.12_AUTHORS
05/05/2006 09:43:36|SETI@home|Throughput 275 bytes/sec
05/05/2006 09:43:36|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome_5.12_COPYING
05/05/2006 09:43:38|SETI@home|Finished download of setiathome_5.12_COPYING
05/05/2006 09:43:38|SETI@home|Throughput 14045 bytes/sec
05/05/2006 09:43:38|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome_5.12_COPYRIGHT
05/05/2006 09:43:39|SETI@home|Finished download of setiathome_5.12_COPYRIGHT
05/05/2006 09:43:39|SETI@home|Throughput 2722 bytes/sec
05/05/2006 09:43:39|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome_5.12_README
05/05/2006 09:43:40|SETI@home|Finished download of libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll
05/05/2006 09:43:40|SETI@home|Throughput 86469 bytes/sec
05/05/2006 09:43:40|SETI@home|Started download of 24mr99ab.27315.33488.465900.1.56
05/05/2006 09:43:41|SETI@home|Finished download of setiathome_5.12_README
05/05/2006 09:43:41|SETI@home|Throughput 1176 bytes/sec

Screen Shot

Looks like time to ditch the optimised seti app

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Fri May 05, 2006 10:25 am

Yup, I would get rid of the App, a new one will be available when it has finished been tested

UBT - PaulT · Post by **UBT - PaulT** » Fri May 05, 2006 3:31 pm

Just finished my first enhanced workunit. 32 credits claimed for 3.5 hours work (I used to claim about that an hour)

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.p ... =318280476

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Fri May 05, 2006 8:56 pm

Forgot to mention you also need to use BOINC 5.2.6 or above in order to claim the credits correctly.

I would skip that version altogether and download the latest development release

Ignore the big red text that says (MAY BE UNSTABLE - USE ONLY FOR TESTING) as it is very stable and works correctly.

Shut BOINC down completely, install the new version and let BOINC do the rest for you.

claimed credits will be correct then as enhanced doesn't rely on benchmarks anymore and older versions of BOINC don't support this new procedure correctly, so give invalid credits outs

UBT - PaulT · Post by **UBT - PaulT** » Sat May 06, 2006 10:05 am

UBT - Halifax--lad wrote:Forgot to mention you also need to use BOINC 5.2.6 or above in order to claim the credits correctly.

I would skip that version altogether and download the latest development release

Ignore the big red text that says (MAY BE UNSTABLE - USE ONLY FOR TESTING) as it is very stable and works correctly.

Shut BOINC down completely, install the new version and let BOINC do the rest for you.

claimed credits will be correct then as enhanced doesn't rely on benchmarks anymore and older versions of BOINC don't support this new procedure correctly, so give invalid credits outs

I was using a version of Boinc 5.3.(something). It seems that we are only going to get about 30 credits per workunit http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit ... d=76495996

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sat May 06, 2006 5:45 pm

It all depends on how long your computer takes to process a WU, slower comps will claim slightly more credit than a faster comp

UBT - BHCJackie · Post by **UBT - BHCJackie** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:22 pm

UBT - Halifax--lad wrote:Correction easiest way to get rid of the optimised app would be to detach from SETI then re-attach

Well I did what David recommended this afternoon and a few minutes ago I got this msg in a pop-up

Runtime Error!

Program: ...athome.berkeley.edu\setiathome_5.12_windows_intelx86.exe

This application her requested the Runtime to terminateit in an unusual way.
Please contact the application's support team for more information.

So I clicked ok.

I'm using Boinc Manager 5.2.13

HELP!

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:24 pm

It could just be a general error, I would ask over at SETI, my guess is you will be told to use the latest client

UBT - BHCJackie · Post by **UBT - BHCJackie** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:29 pm

So where do I get the latest client from? I know you know :lol:

I wish there was something on Boinc Manager you could click to check for upgrades, would make life much simpler.

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:32 pm

Go here jackie http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php?dev=1

Ignore the scary message download it, stop BOINC and install this one,

PS: have asked over at SETI for you

Edit: doesnt need a manual benchmark does it on its own now must have been fixed since this morning

UBT - BHCJackie · Post by **UBT - BHCJackie** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:34 pm

TYVM hun, I'm downloading it now

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:36 pm

Also just edited the above post you prob won't have noticed that

It will do a automatic benchmark on its own now, you don't need it to do one for you

It was bust this morning (4.30am) but has been fixed since

UBT - BHCJackie · Post by **UBT - BHCJackie** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:42 pm

I had actually - ner ner na ner ner!

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:47 pm

Turns out it is some other problem some others have had the same issue you have had, have posted the WU ID of yours that crashed.

Could just be a isolated incident lets wait and see what happens with your next WU, when one arrives

UBT - BHCJackie · Post by **UBT - BHCJackie** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:59 pm

TYVM sweety, you are a star.

Two other things:
1: I got an error msg when 5.4.9 started

06/05/2006 21:46:47|SETI@home|State file error: missing application file setiathome_4.11_windows_intelx86.exe
06/05/2006 21:46:47|SETI@home|Can't handle application version in state file

This means what exactly?

2: I've suspended everyhting but Seti which has another enhanced wu now crunching

06/05/2006 21:51:45|SETI@home|Starting task 06ja99ab.28689.5313.154822.3.211_2 using setiathome_enhanced version 512

I'll let you know what happens.

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sun May 07, 2006 9:39 am

Sounds like there may be a file missing as well in your BOINC folder, best thing to do is suspend all new work to the project, let BOINC crunch what you have got make sure the work is uploaded and out of your work queue, detach from SETI & then attach again, this will clear out all the files and re-download everything it needs to work correctly

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:35 pm

UBT - PaulT wrote:I was using a version of Boinc 5.3.(something). It seems that we are only going to get about 30 credits per workunit http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit ... d=76495996

Cor - you're lucky - I got 12.54 (or less !!):

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit ... d=76426452

So, you should try some SETI BETA WU's:

How's about 133.48 credits per WU?
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/wo ... uid=167817

Or even 220.07 credits per WU:
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/wo ... uid=165962

regards,

Tim
(Waiting for my SE cache to run out so I can install crunch3r's new opti-client for SE....!) :D

Post by **UBT - Mikee** » Sun May 07, 2006 2:11 pm

Wild times on the 2nd one! 1 at 55 hours, 1 at 56 hours and the other at 15!

Similar computers but the 15 hour user has Linux 2.6.16.12-maverick! Are they really a factor of over 3 times faster?

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sun May 07, 2006 2:48 pm

The guy on BETA with the Linux is a tester of the optimised enhanced apps hence his quicker times than the others

Post by **UBT - Timbo** » Sun May 07, 2006 7:10 pm

UBT - Halifax--lad wrote:The guy on BETA with the Linux is a tester of the optimised enhanced apps hence his quicker times than the others

Hi David,

As the resident "fountain of knowledge" can you offer an opinion on this:

Running BOINC v5.2.13 and had crunch3r's SETI-opti app running.

Drained cache, since SE was being downloaded by others...!.

So now have NO SETI (4.1eight) WU's.

So, detached SETI, which caused a download of the SE application.

Did not download any work, as I suspended as soon as the app and support files downloaded.

Have now got crunch3r's latest opti-SE app.

Copied into correct project directory, but now get:

07/05/2006 19:01:29|SETI@home|app_version refers to nonexistent file: setiathome_4.11_windows_intelx86.exe
07/05/2006 19:01:29|SETI@home|Can't link app version in state file

So, somehow BONC still thinks I#'ve got the earlier SETI app installed..

very strange...

any thoughts...??

regards,

Tim

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sun May 07, 2006 7:38 pm

By any chance does this happen when it is connecting to the server or when it is attempting to start a WU

Temujin · Post by **Temujin** » Sun May 07, 2006 7:39 pm

UBT - Timbo wrote:So, somehow BONC still thinks I#'ve got the earlier SETI app installed..

I would guess you still have the old app_info.xml in your projects directory

UBT - Halifax-lad · Post by **UBT - Halifax-lad** » Sun May 07, 2006 7:44 pm

Temujin wrote:
UBT - Timbo wrote:So, somehow BONC still thinks I#'ve got the earlier SETI app installed..
I would guess you still have the old app_info.xml in your projects directory

there shouldn't be any old files in there, when you detach from a project BOINC clears all the files for that project out, so when you attach back to a project it will download the latest files

Where I think the master has gone wrong is he needs to do this

Got to remember that SETI is still classed as 4.18 WU's, the enhanced ones are gradually been filtered in and until then you need to have both files in there for both optimisations and for both types of WU's, I reckon Timbo has gotten rid of a file needed when he was messing with Enhanced optimisation app