Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

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Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:31 pm

Hi all

The LAST Sprint for 2017 is coming...

The announcement of this particular project Sprint will be made at 8pm GMT on Wednesday 22nd November and the Sprint itself starts at 8pm on Thursday 23rd.

Note that this one runs until 8pm on the SUNDAY !!

This is the list of projects it could be:
BURP
Citizen Science Grid < chosen project
Cosmology@home
DENIS@Home
Enigma@home
FiND@Home
PRIMABOINCA
SRBase
The dDM-Project
VGTU@home
Wanless Mersenne +2

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:15 pm

Hi all

So, let's 2nd guess which project might be chosen:

Possible projects:
Citizen Science Grid - some work available
Cosmology@home - some work available
Enigma@home - some work available
PRIMABOINCA - some work available
SRBase - some work available
The dDM-Project - some work available
VGTU@home - some work available

Unlikely candidates:
BURP - too few tasks available
DENIS@Home - no work available currently
FiND@Home - no work available currently
Wanless Mersenne +2 - linux only, so limited appeal

As Enigma now supports GPU's so that is a good possibility, but my 2nd choice would have been Cosmology but this uses VirtualBox, on Windows PC's...so that might rule it out.

So, 2nd choice might just be between SRBase and PrimaBOINCA...but SRBase isn't accepting new accounts...so, Citizen Science? dDM?, VGTU?

It's very tricky and I could be wrong ;-) but I'd plump for Enigma as 1st choice and PrimaBOINCA as 2nd choice - that'll please Mikee !!

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(edited as my original "1st choice" wasn't clear)

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Mikee » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:41 pm

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Damn well won't! - might lose points as other teams gang up on us.

Citizen Science and Cosmology work units can be a bit long - Citizen up to about 12 hours and quorum of 2, Cosmo about 6 hours so that might put people off. Prima, I've been told, is restricting new users. I'd go for Enigma - shortish work units and plenty available at the mo.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby Woodles » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:50 pm

Hi Tim,

I'd agree with your eliminations and also with Mike about Primaboinca as you need an invitation code that they're not giving out frequently (and not because I have anything against the project :D)

I'm thinking Cosmology, Enigma or SRBase with a tending towards Enigma as well although I'd prefer Cosmology as I could try for another millionaires badge :D

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:22 am

Hi both

Oops - I'd forgotten that PrimaBOINCA needs invitation codes to take part...

So, my 1st choice is still Enigma...and now with maybe SRBase or Cosmology as back-ups.

In the case of the latter, be aware that some of it's tasks will use ALL of your CPU resources for ONE task....a bit like BURP....if you have 8 CPU threads, it'll use them all (unless of course you've tweaked your settings to only allow a certain number of tasks per project). Plus you really need VirtualBox installed.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:53 pm

Hi all

Just about 24 hours and 7 minutes until the announcement of the very last FB Sprint project for 2017.

Make sure you wind down your caches for other work, and around 8pm on Wednesday night, increase your cache setting to perhaps 3 or 4 days and then download some of the selected Sprint projects work and then "Suspend network activity" (in BOINC Manager) until 8pm on Thursday - so that way, we get an extra days worth of crunching BEFORE the official start ;-)

(Other teams do it, so why not us?).

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PS: If suspending network access, after the announcement on Wednesday night, you might need to also cease downloading any further NCI tasks from the likes of WU-Prop or Goofy, until you have restored network access on Thursday night.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:01 pm

Hi all

The last Sprint project is Citizen Science Grid...

Just hope they have some work for us all !!

EDIT: These are the apps they have (all CPU):
DNA@Home Gibbs Sampler
Convolutional Neural Network with Seam Carving
EXACT MNIST Batch Norm CNN Trainer
EXACT Batch Norm With Pooling CNN Trainer
EXACT Batch Norm With Scaled FMP CNN Trainer

So, make sure you have allowed all these apps in your preferences.

All I have downloaded at present are the "EXACT Batch Norm With Scaled FMP CNN Trainer" tasks - which are going to take a while, as some have estimated completion times of 12 hours or so (but a lot are shorter !!). The deadlines are quite varied too - between 11 and 31 days it seems...the longer deadlines are for the longer tasks.

So, fill your boots !!

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby Woodles » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:03 pm

It's been announced:
Sprint on project Citizen Science Grid
from 11/23/2017 20:00 (UTC) to 11/26/2017 19:59 (UTC)


So, not one I'm familiar with, is it worth starting given that we're currently in 21st place, virtually guaranteed sixth place this year and none of our main rivals are doing well in it either?

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby Woodles » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:05 pm

UBT - Timbo wrote:Just hope they have some work for us all !!


There's 226 tasks available, how many do you want? :D

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:12 pm

Woodles wrote:There's 226 tasks available, how many do you want? :D


Hi Mark

I've got about 60 of them so far...!!

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby Woodles » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:14 pm

Hi Tim,

Nicely done :handgestures-thumbupleft:

I'm going to sit this one out again, I don't fancy starting a new project that we're unlikely to do well in and with very little work available.

Ho hum, back to SRBase, Mind and Sztaki :D

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:17 pm

Woodles wrote:So, not one I'm familiar with, is it worth starting given that we're currently in 21st place, virtually guaranteed sixth place this year and none of our main rivals are doing well in it either?

Mark


Hi Mark

As a Sprint project, as mentioned in another thread, we could do ourselves a good favour, by getting some nice FB points, if other teams don't like this project...

So, we might not leap up the Marathon table (for this project) but we could earn a nice tidy 10+ FB points, with a bit of luck.

I've not done any tasks on CSG for a while and I don't recall doing any EXACT tasks...so it'll be interesting to see how much credit one receives for each task.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Mikee » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:30 pm

Hi
Not a favourite of mine but it seems I've done a load in the past but not recently. See it also has a quorum of 2 so as they're not going to be verified quickly. I'm in for a final go.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:40 pm

Woodles wrote:Hi Tim,

Nicely done :handgestures-thumbupleft:

I'm going to sit this one out again, I don't fancy starting a new project that we're unlikely to do well in and with very little work available.

Ho hum, back to SRBase, Mind and Sztaki :D

Mark


Hi Mark

I now have 144 tasks, in my cache, which should keep me going over the next day or so...


PS:
It seems these EXACT tasks are quite high earners, on the credit per second side:

This was posted on the CSG forum a while back:

Credit comparison (by a user, using 32-core Xeon and i5 CPU's):
CSG--------------------7 to 21 sec/pt
Amicable Numbers--19 to 34 sec/pt
Primegrid--------------19 to 53 sec/pt
SRBase----------------25 to 44 sec/pt
Asteroids--------------35 to 38 sec/pt (only records are for the XEON and hyperthreading)
Universe---------------30 to 50 sec/pt
POGS------------------34 to 57 sec/pt
Einstein----------------43 to 52 sec/pt
SETI--------------------57 to 141 sec/pt
Rosetta----------------71 to 111 sec/pt
VGTU------------------77 to 221 sec/pt
WEP2------------------92 to 201 sec/pt
Leiden Classical-----96 to 209 sec/pt
LHC--------------------94 to 157 sec/pt
Denis@Home--------109 to 205 sec/pt
WCG-------------------122 to 200 sec/pt
MindModeling--------162 to 174 sec/pt (only data is from XEON with hyperthreading on)


https://csgrid.org/csg/forum_thread.php?id=2353#6732 refers.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Mikee » Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:27 pm

Hi

Haven't bothered disabling network activity as it seems everyone else has so nothing is getting validated anyway (27 out of 27 so far!), no doubt things will change after 8pm. However, uploads on this pc seem to have stopped since 10:30 and the CSG site is very slow.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby wkdwill » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:56 pm

It looks like they have buckled under the pressure
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makes me wonder what the projects think about FB? Do they see it as a royal pain in the ass or as a way to potentially get more computers in the long run.

Hope they manage to get things back to normal without too much headache.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Mikee » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:06 pm

Hi

See we're running 15th! Got 7,026 possibly due to Kevin and/or Dr Hill who have been doing these before the start. Things must be bad as Gridcoin have 0 credits!

Still got some waiting to be uploaded - just 3 left but none have been reported back yet. Actual posts on the FB site confirming project a bit down! Can sometimes get on the CSG site but very slow - best not try and let things settle down?

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:12 am

Hi all

I'm just back from my monthly meeting in Cambridge and have now allowed my PCs to have network access...so my various tasks will be uploaded IF the CSG website is working...if not then hopefully access to it will improve overnight and of course I need to download new tasks !!

Here's the latest stats (as of 12 midnight):

Code: Select all

 1   Gridcoin   (25)   2,595,648
 2   SETI.USA   (18)   2,000,537
 3   L'Alliance Francophone   (15)   522,026
 4   Boinc@Taiwan   (12)   446,828
 5   Czech National Team   (10)   298,742
 6   Russia Team   (8)   170,846
 7   Planet 3DNow!   (6)   154,204
 8   BOINC@AUSTRALIA   (4)   145,997
 9   Rechenkraft.net   (2)   133,236
10   SETIKAH@KOREA   (1)   126,044
11   BOINC.Italy   -   119,770
12   SETI.Germany   -   91,207
13   BOINCstats   -   45,999
14   Team China   -   36,551
15   USA   -   13,889
16   Ukraine   -   10,348
17   The Knights Who Say Ni!   -   7,796
***18   UK BOINC Team   -   7,026***
19   BOINC@Poland   -   5,761
20   Russia   -   4,177
21   Canada   -   3,417


I think we might not do quite so well on this Sprint.

EDIT: I'm not able to access the CSG website - it's saying:

Code: Select all

This site can’t be reached

csgrid.org took too long to respond.
ERR_TIMED_OUT


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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:29 am

Hi all

CSG website is alive again, so hopefully some uploads and validations are going on, and credits being awarded.

We're currently in 14th place

Code: Select all

 1   Gridcoin   (25)   13,401,470
 2   SETI.USA   (18)   6,014,175
 3   L'Alliance Francophone   (15)   3,060,275
 4   Boinc@Taiwan   (12)   1,879,755
 5   Russia Team   (10)   1,367,477
 6   Czech National Team   (8)   1,283,768
 7   BOINC@AUSTRALIA   (6)   759,069
 8   Planet 3DNow!   (4)   519,855
 9   Rechenkraft.net(2)   371,722
10   Team China   (1)   368,018
11   SETIKAH@KOREA   -   285,552
12   BOINC.Italy   -   274,168
13   SETI.Germany   -   224,446
***14   UK BOINC Team   -   222,488***
15   USA   -   151,333


So, depending on which tasks are credited before the Sprints ends, is going to dictate if we have a chance of improving on this position.

Fortunately, it looks like Planet 3DNow! and BOINC Poland, our nearest competitors on the Marathon, are also not doing well on this Sprint ;-)

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #20 23rd-26th November 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:36 am

UBT - Timbo wrote:PS:
It seems these EXACT tasks are quite high earners, on the credit per second side:

This was posted on the CSG forum a while back:

Credit comparison (by a user, using 32-core Xeon and i5 CPU's):
CSG--------------------7 to 21 sec/pt
etc


https://csgrid.org/csg/forum_thread.php?id=2353#6732 refers.

regards
Tim


Hi all,

From the credits I've received thus far, It looks like CSG is paying out, as a rate of 7.7-7.9 seconds per credit

as per these 4 examples:
seconds credits
35,103.38 4,583.93
37,166.04 4,667.10
38,892.87 4,935.40
36,790.60 4,605.40

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