Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

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Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:41 pm

Hi all

Just 4 more Sprints to go (including this one !!) until the end of the year.

The announcement of this particular project Sprint will be made at 6AM BST on Thursday 19th October and the Sprint starts at 6AM on the Friday.

Note that this one runs until 6AM on the MONDAY !!

This is the list of projects it could be:
BURP
Citizen Science Grid
Cosmology@home
DENIS@Home
Enigma@home
FiND@Home
PRIMABOINCA
PrimeGrid (GPU)
SRBase
The dDM-Project
TN-Grid < chosen project
Universe@Home
VGTU@home
Wanless Mersenne +2

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby chriscambridge » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:20 am

As you probably already know, its TN-Grid..

Is this a CPU only project?

I notice it can utilize AVX and SSE2 instruction sets..

Does anyone know what is the average run time of its work units?
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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Mikee » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:17 am

chriscambridge wrote:As you probably already know, its TN-Grid..

Is this a CPU only project?

I notice it can utilize AVX and SSE2 instruction sets..

Does anyone know what is the average run time of its work units?


Hi

CPU only and according to my stats, about 90 minutes.

In the marathon we're 23rd out of 23!

I reckon there's gonna be complaints as it's another 'invite only' project. Didn't realise I had an account with the grand total of 109 credits.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby chriscambridge » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:24 am

Hi Mikee,

Thanks for the info.
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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Chris Suddick » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:34 am

At least the invitation code is generally available on their website and is 'science@tn' for anyone who wants it.

This one is going to be a tough challenge for us. I'm ready to go.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby chriscambridge » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:42 am

I would say very difficult as there are only 6 members of UBT signed up for this project! :?

https://boincstats.com/en/stats/150/user/list/0/0/40/0
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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Chris Suddick » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:52 am

At present there are only 6 but others can sign up as I have. Also, if you look at the current stats for TN-Grid, our main rivals BOINC@Poland and 3D Now are doing about 1K and 30K/day respectively. They are not known for their big reactions to the sprints so all we need to do is outpoint them to ensure they don't eat away at our lead. We don't have to compete with Gridcoin.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby chriscambridge » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:06 am

Yeah I guess that makes sense.

We need to then know how much credit on average a 90 min work unit gets awarded on completion?

That way we can tell roughly how many cores are going to be required to produce 30K+ per day.
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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:59 am

chriscambridge wrote:Yeah I guess that makes sense.

We need to then know how much credit on average a 90 min work unit gets awarded on completion?

That way we can tell roughly how many cores are going to be required to produce 30K+ per day.

It appears that all the WUs produce roughly 45 credits regardless of time or CPU used. I can also only find results using the avx application.

The times vary considerably depending on processor and clock speed.

Top overall host (E5-4667 v3 @ 2.00GHz) completes a WU in ~2hrs 20 minutes.

Top AMD CPU (Ryzen 7 1700X @ 3.40GHz) takes an hour and 8 minutes.

Top Intel non-Xeon (i7-6900K CPU @ 3.20GHz) takes just less than an hour (57 minutes)

30k credits at 45 credits each is 667 WUs a day, an hour each is 28 cores 24/7, or 66 cores if they're 2GHz Xeons.

i wasn't going to participate in this sprint as it's not one of my projects but since that's not a huge number of cores (relatively speaking) then if the team decide to have a go, I'll sign up and throw a few cores at it.

Might be another one of those "winner-is-the-lucky-one-who-gets-work" sprints though :(
Tasks ready to send 12
Tasks in progress 81941

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:31 am

Hi all

Woodles wrote:Might be another one of those "winner-is-the-lucky-one-who-gets-work" sprints though


Yup - looks like FB have chosen a project which cannot support lots of task requests :-(

I've crunched some TN-Grid tasks before and I've never had an issue getting tasks before...but today I can't get any :-(

Oh well...just have to allow one of my back-up projects to allow downloads so at least I'm doing *some* crunching !!

regards and best of luck to everyone on this one !!
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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:46 am

So we're going for it?

I'll sign up then and see if I can get any work :?

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:55 am

Woodles wrote:So we're going for it?

I'll sign up then and see if I can get any work :?

Mark


Hi Mark

If the tasks are limited, then they will be limited for everyone...so it's just a question of grabbing what we can. ;-)

I think it would be quite a bit different if TN-Grid had PLENTY of tasks as the limited number of UBT members (overall) crunching on this project would mean we had little chance of competing.

So, as we've done quite well on the Sprints, then it might be an easy 6, 8 even more points, assuming we can get the WU's !!

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PS: For anyone else reading this, if you want to sign up, the website is here: http://gene.disi.unitn.it/test/

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:05 am

Hi Tim,

Signed up and crunching my first WU :D

It claims to be an SSE2 type though so I don't know how that compares timewise to the avx ones.

Given enough WUs, I might be able to find out.

Mark
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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:28 am

19/10/2017 10:24:00 | TN-Grid Platform | Scheduler request completed: got 79 new tasks

Well that'll help! :D
19/10/2017 10:28:40 | TN-Grid Platform | This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress

... and that won't :(

So ten tasks per core? That's only half a day!

19/10/2017 10:33:38 | TN-Grid Platform | Scheduler request completed: got 185 new tasks
19/10/2017 10:41:30 | TN-Grid Platform | Scheduler request completed: got 55 new tasks


That's more like it :lol: Full cache, network off, I'll set up some more when I get home.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:53 am

Looks like the project has released some more work, grab it while it's available.

Tasks ready to send 2249
Tasks in progress 85683


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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby chriscambridge » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:37 am

Just came across these replies, no notifications from the forum (apart from the first one or two); not sure why.

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I Just tried setting up the project on one machine and am getting "project failed to add" or something similar. Additionally I have added the project to BAM and that is not sending the project over either which is strange as I have ticked 'attach new host by default' for the project; all the other projects come across fine.

I think the project may have turned off new sign ups in the last hour or so, as I just read this exchange..

http://gene.disi.unitn.it/test/forum_th ... d=196#1132

(telling the admin about FB Sprint) "There seems to be a high rate of requests for work to your server now..."

(reply from Admin) "The way we produce work is rather complicated (computationally speaking), at the moment this is the maximum pace we can achieve".

If anyone wants to help try and get this added to two hosts then I can throw 56 Xeon V3 cores (2.5 Ghz with AVX/SSE2) into the crunch..
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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:49 am

Hi Chris,

Keith has also mentioned that he's not getting notifications any more so it's not just you. Might be worth mentioning it to Tim?

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I've just tried to create another account now and it's worked fine.

They do have a captcha on the "create an account" page so maybe BAM is missing that?

I don't use BAM so I don't know how it attaches but try creating an account manually first then attach through BAM. Alternatively, if you want to PM me an email address I'll create an account for you.

Failing that, I can send you my account details and you can add your 56 cores to my account :D

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I think the reply to that post is just about creating more work, basically saying "you get what you get".

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby chriscambridge » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:55 am

Hi Mark,

I signed up manually (and have an account now), and then added it to BAM manually also. For some reason that is not working.

Additionally I removed BAM from BOINC manager and tried to add it manually but that did not work initially.

However I just retried and now it has added the project.

I have told BOINC manager to store 1 day, and 2 additional days, worth of work so hopefully I can grab a few WU's.

(Once the other machine completes its WU I will add the project to that one too).

** I just got about 75 Work units! :)
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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:58 am

Hi Chris,

I expect it'll have been related to the sudden increase in traffic that their server is getting just now, I had a few downloads back off with 'no internet access' for a few minutes.

You'll be limited to 10 tasks per core so you may want to temporarily increase the number of cores that Boinc thinks it has to increase your cache (disable computing first or you'll have them all try to start running!) At an hour per task, you'll only be able to bunker 10/11 hours worth.

The game is afoot! :D

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #17 20th-23rd Oct 2017

Postby chriscambridge » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:02 pm

Good advice, I am also going to knock out my internet connection so I can send them all over in one go completed once the sprint starts.
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