Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

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Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:31 am

Hi all

Another sprint for your diaries...after this Sprint, there will only be 5 more, so we'll be 3/4 of the way to the end (for this year).

As per last time, the announcement of which is the chosen project, will take place at 5pm BST on Wednesday 27th Sept.

This is the list of projects it could be:
BURP
Citizen Science Grid
Cosmology@home
DENIS@Home
Enigma@home
FiND@Home
GPUGrid (GPU)
Leiden Classical < chosen project
PRIMABOINCA
PrimeGrid (GPU)
SRBase
The dDM-Project
TN-Grid
Universe@Home
VGTU@home
Wanless Mersenne +2

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:41 am

BURP and Denis have had very little work all year, Find has had none and Wanless is Linux only. Leiden gives out work very sparingly, it takes a few days to get enough for continuous crunching. I don't think it'll be any of those.

Since Asteroids was the last mainly GPU sprint we had, I'm thinking GPUGrid or Primegrid for this one.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:41 pm

Hi Mark

The scarcity of tasks on some projects makes me wonder why some are even included in the FB Marathons, never mind the Sprints :-)

And with just 7 Sprints to go, and with various projects NOT being suitable for selection, it is going to be just a choice about when each of the suitable projects will be picked. ;-)

I would guess that those projects that have, thus far, shown that they can make plenty of tasks available are going to be the most likely candidates for the 7 remaining places...if only to appease the Gridcoin team members who will want to maximise their overall "lead" position, lest some other team should nip in and spoil their party...

So my bets, in no particular order, are on:
Citizen Science Grid
Cosmology@home
Enigma@home
GPUGrid
PrimeGrid
SRBase
Universe@Home

to make up the last 7 choices.


This is based on the following "evidence"

Sprint # - Project - Total credits (to date)
1 - Yoyo@home - 869,106,456
2 - Einstein@home - 138,880,992,978
3 - NumberFields@home - 807,564,228
4 - World Community Grid - 29,014,362,994
5 - Moo! Wrapper - 14,940,315,508
6 - Rosetta@home - 6,923,822,243
7 - Seti@home - 49,358,338,226
8 - LHC@home 1.0 - 3,635,341,875
9 - Collatz Conjecture - 345,512,808,202
10 - Asteroids@home - 11,868,087,840
11 - NFS@home - 1,463,475,258
12 - Milkyway@home - 28,397,954,863
13 - theSkyNet POGS - the PS1 Optical Galaxy Survey - 3,108,818,439
14 - Yafu - 268,094,909 (much lower credits than nearly every other active project)

As you can see, most of the chosen projects have totals well over 1 billion...so, I think this might be ONE of the factors leading to them being chosen ;-)

Projects yet to be chosen for a Sprint, but with high credit totals:
GPUGrid - 97,315,857,275
PrimeGrid - 95,634,804,520
Citizen Science Grid - 6,720,646,147
Enigma@home - 3,105,668,662
Universe@Home - 2,945,246,949
SRBase - 1,172,186,182
Cosmology@home - 878,871,297

Projects with far fewer credits awarded (this year) :
TN-Grid - 559,299,452
VGTU@home - 268,201,031
DENIS@Home - 230,730,045
Leiden Classical - 186,228,215
PRIMABOINCA - 166,128,399
The dDM-Project - 56,349,269

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:25 pm

Hi Tim,

It would make sense to pick the projects that have most work available and are capable of handling the load, I imagine they get hammered pretty hard once the sprint is announced.

I'll be bowing out of Citizen Science or Universe as I haven't crunched them and don't plan on starting any new projects until my existing ones are all at a million (a task which was helped by POGs being chosen last time :D) Cosmology would be perfect for that.

Just over three weeks to find out.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:09 pm

Woodles wrote:Hi Tim,

It would make sense to pick the projects that have most work available and are capable of handling the load, I imagine they get hammered pretty hard once the sprint is announced.

I'll be bowing out of Citizen Science or Universe as I haven't crunched them and don't plan on starting any new projects until my existing ones are all at a million (a task which was helped by POGs being chosen last time :D) Cosmology would be perfect for that.


Hi Mark

No worries - if needs be we can always pick a different project from the Marathon and crunch that instead (while other teams are concentrating on the chosen project for the Sprint).

Just over three weeks to find out.

Mark


And just over a week for the announcement of the project for the 14th Sprint ;-)

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:47 pm

Hi all,

Sadly, I'm away for a few days next week (starting BEFORE the announcement), so unless I correctly guess the right project (out of the above listing) then I'm not going to be able to contribute to the 15th Sprint. :-(

If anyone wants to suggest which of the above *would* make a good candidate, (either for the Sprint or otherwise) then I'll happily leave a couple of PC's on, and with luck, my contribution might help either the Sprint or the overall Marathon.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:37 pm

Hi all

I'm away soon so I'll be setting up my PCs to crunch the following over the next few days:

CPU: I'll "allow new work" from Citizen Grid, Enigma and SRBase, which covers the bases depending on which has work available - and I'll keep fingers crossed that one of these is chosen :-)

GPU: I'll set the GPU to crunch Moo! Wrapper as we are well behind on the remaining GPU projects - and I can't see us doing THAT well on the sprint if any one of Einstein, GPUGrid or PrimeGrid are chosen - so crunching Moo while other teams crunch one of the other GPU projects (if it is chosen) allows us to catch up a bit. ;-)

If a different project is chosen for this Sprint, (instead of any of the above), then so be it - I had to make a choice and if the gamble pays off then I'll be even happier.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:48 am

Hi Tim,

Looks like a good choice of projects, even if you do miss out on the actual sprint project, the work won't be wasted.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Timbo » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:39 pm

Hi Mark

I've got Enigma and Citizen Science now added, but is SRBase proving to be a pain as the site isn't responding to the "Add project" request on the Xeon box.

So, I'll just have the aforementioned, plus Moo! (on the GPU) - I'll also "allow" a couple of other projects "just in case" they suddenly have work - namely RNA, CAS and BURP....

That's it from me for a few days - off darn Sarf for a few days in the capital :-)

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:26 am

Hi Tim,

SRBase is out of work at the moment. It's basically a one man operation and Rebither is having health problems at the moment and the project is suffering.

For that reason, it's also unlikely to be the sprint project so there's no downside to not connecting to it.

Have fun in the wilderness :)

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:09 pm

Sprint on project Leiden Classical
from 09/28/2017 16:00 (UTC) to 10/01/2017 15:59 (UTC)


That may work out very well as Leiden isn't accepting new accounts at the moment and it's not that popular so unless you're already got an account ... :D

Also, it takes a while to get any work so stick with it, they'll turn up eventually :)

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Mikee » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:57 pm

Hi

Just got a couple of these...

27/09/2017 17:50:35 | Leiden Classical | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
27/09/2017 17:50:35 | Leiden Classical | Requesting new tasks for CPU and NVIDIA GPU
27/09/2017 17:50:38 | Leiden Classical | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
27/09/2017 17:50:38 | Leiden Classical | No work sent
27/09/2017 17:50:38 | Leiden Classical | (there was work but it was committed to other platforms)


Be 90 mins before I run out of Primaboinca WUs, so hopefully I'll get a load before then. Just checked the server and it's only showing 126 ready to send (to other platforms presumably).

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Chris Suddick » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:44 pm

Meanwhile those of us without accounts can't join in. It seems a strange choice for a sprint if it's not up to the job.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:23 pm

Hi Mike,

I believe the server is set up to keep ~200 jobs in the queue so there's never many listed but there's a lot more lined up. The problem is that they're not uploaded very regularly so you have to ask at the right time. Given long enough there's plenty of work but I imagine the server is being hammered at the moment!

Hi Chris,

True, it's not the best project to pick since you have to have an account already established. This may be a quiet sprint.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Mikee » Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:53 pm

UBT - Chris Suddick wrote:Meanwhile those of us without accounts can't join in. It seems a strange choice for a sprint if it's not up to the job.

Chris.


Ahhh - so Primaboinca does have a chance of being selected!

Must have had a bit of an update on the server side as now showing 598 ready to send. Not having much luck though - just got one on Ryzen and 1 on the laptop :-(

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:10 pm

UBT - Mikee wrote:Ahhh - so Primaboinca does have a chance of being selected!

No, PrimaBoinca will never be selected, ever! :evil: :lol:

UBT - Mikee wrote:Must have had a bit of an update on the server side as now showing 598 ready to send. Not having much luck though - just got one on Ryzen and 1 on the laptop :-(

Mike

That's good news, I'm short of quite a few here as well, I can't turn the network off as I need more work but it's getting returned quicker than it gets here! Doesn't look like there's going to be much of a cache for when the sprint starts in earnest, I may have to resort to pausing what tasks I do have just so I have something to return tomorrow!

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Mikee » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:44 am

Leiden doesn't like you pausing - when you ask for more it replies that you can't have any as you've paused.

Just had a look and I've got 100 ready to start/running, so that's enough to suspend network. However, just noticed that there's a quorum of 2 and of the last 60 done, 47 are pending.

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:23 am

Hi Mike,

I thought that was part of BOINC? I've found in the past that if you have any suspended tasks then Boinc won't ask for more work for that project.

After leaving my hosts asking for work for five hours last night, nearly half of them still didn't have any work so I've re-enabled other projects to give them something to do. I think this sprint is going to be decided by who gets work more than anything else.

I look upon it as an advantage that the tasks are pending, that means they have a chance of validating once the sprint has started properly and will count :)

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby UBT - Mikee » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:32 pm

Hi Mark

Never noticed the suspend thing before - you're probably right though thinking about it.

I see we're doing ok at the moment - we usually start fast and run out of energy after a few hours. Nice to see Poland aren't doing anything...yet!

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Re: Formula-BOINC Sprint #15 28th Sept-1st Oct 2017

Postby Woodles » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:37 pm

Hi Mike,

True, we normally start off around third place then slip a position or two, hopefully not this time.

I'm not sure how much I can contribute to this sprint as I'm still finding it hard to get any work, I only have two tasks still crunching! (I do have 14.5K credits in pending though :D)

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